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		<title>By: notPC</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/fort_dix_terrorist_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-125770</link>
		<dc:creator>notPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 22:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is typical of the far lefties to criticize the government for arresting people planning to commit mass murder. They believe they should have been left alone to do it, and then either sent to counseling or given an award. They were stupid, yes, so were many of the young men who have blown themselves up in order that they might kill people whose beliefs differ from theirs. Stop sticking up for them, and stop blaming the victims. It is this support for the terrorists, coming from within the societies which they attack, that actually enables them. Is it a coincidence that the rise in terrorism coincides with the rise in political correctness? But if that doesn&#039;t fit your dogma, just continue to ignore it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is typical of the far lefties to criticize the government for arresting people planning to commit mass murder. They believe they should have been left alone to do it, and then either sent to counseling or given an award. They were stupid, yes, so were many of the young men who have blown themselves up in order that they might kill people whose beliefs differ from theirs. Stop sticking up for them, and stop blaming the victims. It is this support for the terrorists, coming from within the societies which they attack, that actually enables them. Is it a coincidence that the rise in terrorism coincides with the rise in political correctness? But if that doesn't fit your dogma, just continue to ignore it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 05:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Michael&#039;s statement about what NPR said:

Most of these news reports seem misleading to me. They say former Yugoslavia, but what they really mean is Macedonia. Macedonia is 75% Christian and 25% Muslim.

Unless I&#039;m mistaken, majority of those Muslims are actually Albanians. So them doing terrorist attacks makes even less sense since America was helping their population last decade when they fought Yugoslavia(Serbia &amp; Montenegro).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Michael's statement about what NPR said:</p>
<p>Most of these news reports seem misleading to me. They say former Yugoslavia, but what they really mean is Macedonia. Macedonia is 75% Christian and 25% Muslim.</p>
<p>Unless I'm mistaken, majority of those Muslims are actually Albanians. So them doing terrorist attacks makes even less sense since America was helping their population last decade when they fought Yugoslavia(Serbia &amp; Montenegro).</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 12:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let&#039;s see, Anderson; Are tehse the same ones that warned us so far in advance of 9/11?
 
Forgive me if Im reluctant to take their advice at this point; Given the history of the thing, they&#039;re simply not credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let's see, Anderson; Are tehse the same ones that warned us so far in advance of 9/11?</p>
<p>Forgive me if Im reluctant to take their advice at this point; Given the history of the thing, they're simply not credible.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 14:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see:  professional AQ analysts, historians, etc. say &quot;yes&quot;; Bithead says &quot;no.&quot;

Guess I&#039;ll go with Bithead on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's see:  professional AQ analysts, historians, etc. say "yes"; Bithead says "no."</p>
<p>Guess I'll go with Bithead on that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 14:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard on NPR that this base also housed Albanian refugees during the NATO campaign over Kosovo in Yugoslavia.  Given that most of those arrested were from Yugoslavia, there may be a connection there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard on NPR that this base also housed Albanian refugees during the NATO campaign over Kosovo in Yugoslavia.  Given that most of those arrested were from Yugoslavia, there may be a connection there too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. THere may be another reason why Dix was a target.

Admittedly, a lower level target, but in being so, one that will suffer a greater amount of casualties for it&#039;s lesser security.

Given it&#039;s proximity to NYC, the resulting news reporting is sure to generate wall to wall coverage for the next several cycles, at least, which tio my mind is the primary goal of any terririst act, anyway. The rsulting feeding frenzy would be the equivaent of a grand slam home run.

But no, Anderson, you&#039;re wrong.
OBL&#039;s worst nightmare is that America will actually respond in force to such things. The fervent hope on his part is that we&#039;ll simply capitulate.

What is it the left wants us to do?
Oh, yeah... roll over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. THere may be another reason why Dix was a target.</p>
<p>Admittedly, a lower level target, but in being so, one that will suffer a greater amount of casualties for it's lesser security.</p>
<p>Given it's proximity to NYC, the resulting news reporting is sure to generate wall to wall coverage for the next several cycles, at least, which tio my mind is the primary goal of any terririst act, anyway. The rsulting feeding frenzy would be the equivaent of a grand slam home run.</p>
<p>But no, Anderson, you're wrong.<br />
OBL's worst nightmare is that America will actually respond in force to such things. The fervent hope on his part is that we'll simply capitulate.</p>
<p>What is it the left wants us to do?<br />
Oh, yeah... roll over.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Think about the most likely outcome of an attack on a military base. One with lots of casualties on our side. Our next president had better be ready to &lt;strong&gt;expand our war effort in a meaningful way&lt;/strong&gt; were such an event to occur.&lt;/em&gt;

Guys ... THAT&#039;S WHAT OSAMA WANTS.

See pg. 3 of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2007/05/08/alistair_horne/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this interview w/ Alistair Horne&lt;/a&gt; for ex:

&lt;em&gt;Horne then sprung another one of his now-familiar sly rhetorical questions. &quot;Do you think we were enticed into Iraq by Osama bin Laden?&quot; 

I replied that Horne had pointed out in his book that it was Insurgency 101 to &lt;strong&gt;use terror to make your adversary respond with such disproportionate force&lt;/strong&gt; that the population goes over to you. &quot;I think we gave him a gift beyond his wildest dreams,&quot; I said. 

&quot;Yes, &lt;strong&gt;we always assume that our adversaries are stronger than they really are&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; Horne said. &quot;Except when it comes to Germany. Osama is rubbing his hands in glee. &lt;strong&gt;Everything&#039;s going his way&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Think about the most likely outcome of an attack on a military base. One with lots of casualties on our side. Our next president had better be ready to <strong>expand our war effort in a meaningful way</strong> were such an event to occur.</em></p>
<p>Guys ... THAT'S WHAT OSAMA WANTS.</p>
<p>See pg. 3 of <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2007/05/08/alistair_horne/" rel="nofollow">this interview w/ Alistair Horne</a> for ex:</p>
<p><em>Horne then sprung another one of his now-familiar sly rhetorical questions. "Do you think we were enticed into Iraq by Osama bin Laden?" </p>
<p>I replied that Horne had pointed out in his book that it was Insurgency 101 to <strong>use terror to make your adversary respond with such disproportionate force</strong> that the population goes over to you. "I think we gave him a gift beyond his wildest dreams," I said. </p>
<p>"Yes, <strong>we always assume that our adversaries are stronger than they really are</strong>," Horne said. "Except when it comes to Germany. Osama is rubbing his hands in glee. <strong>Everything's going his way</strong>."</em></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 11:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clue proof certainly fits these guys. Think about the most likely outcome of an attack on a military base. One with lots of casualties on our side. Our next president had better be ready to expand our war effort in a meaningful way were such an event to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clue proof certainly fits these guys. Think about the most likely outcome of an attack on a military base. One with lots of casualties on our side. Our next president had better be ready to expand our war effort in a meaningful way were such an event to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 09:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Indeed, Fort Dix strikes me as a strange target, given that it’s not exactly the nerve center of the American defense grid. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fort Dix is the mobilization Post for Combat Support Reserve and Guard Units going to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Training Area at the Installation where those soldier would be driving isn&#039;t blocked off by gates, but is rather connected to the local roads and towns with some houses and hunting areas in it.

It would be rather simple to target soldiers in Hummers due to the nature of the training area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Indeed, Fort Dix strikes me as a strange target, given that it&rsquo;s not exactly the nerve center of the American defense grid. </p></blockquote>
<p>Fort Dix is the mobilization Post for Combat Support Reserve and Guard Units going to Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>The Training Area at the Installation where those soldier would be driving isn't blocked off by gates, but is rather connected to the local roads and towns with some houses and hunting areas in it.</p>
<p>It would be rather simple to target soldiers in Hummers due to the nature of the training area.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Baltimore Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NAME: Agron Abdullahu. AGE: 24; Born September 1982 in the former Yugoslavia. Ethnic Albanian. LIVES: Buena Vista Township, N.J. IMMIGRATION STATUS: Legal U.S. resident. OCCUPATION: Works at a Shop-Rite supermarket. James Joyner notes the connection to Muslim Bosnia: An updated version of the AP story at YahooNews reports that, &#8220;four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one in Jordan and one in Turkey. Five of them lived in Cherry Hill, 10 miles east of Philadelphia and 20 miles southwest of Fort Dix.&#8221; Given that Muslim Bosnia was part of &#8220;the former Yugoslavia,&#8221; &#8212; and that it would seem unlikely that four Slovenians or Orthodox Serbs would join up with two Muslims &#8212; we&#8217;re likely dealing with Islamists.  And Laura Mansfield notes that the connections to al-Qaeda are slim at the moment, and we should not be surprised: News media reports describe this morning&#8217;s terrorist suspects, who planned an attack on Ft. Dix, NJ, as homegrown with no ties to al Qaeda or any other international terrorist organization. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NAME: Agron Abdullahu. AGE: 24; Born September 1982 in the former Yugoslavia. Ethnic Albanian. LIVES: Buena Vista Township, N.J. IMMIGRATION STATUS: Legal U.S. resident. OCCUPATION: Works at a Shop-Rite supermarket. James Joyner notes the connection to Muslim Bosnia: An updated version of the AP story at YahooNews reports that, &ldquo;four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one in Jordan and one in Turkey. Five of them lived in Cherry Hill, 10 miles east of Philadelphia and 20 miles southwest of Fort Dix.&rdquo; Given that Muslim Bosnia was part of &ldquo;the former Yugoslavia,&rdquo; &mdash; and that it would seem unlikely that four Slovenians or Orthodox Serbs would join up with two Muslims &mdash; we&rsquo;re likely dealing with Islamists.  And Laura Mansfield notes that the connections to al-Qaeda are slim at the moment, and we should not be surprised: News media reports describe this morning&#8217;s terrorist suspects, who planned an attack on Ft. Dix, NJ, as homegrown with no ties to al Qaeda or any other international terrorist organization. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New Jersey Jihad...&lt;/strong&gt;

As has been reported since last night six Jihadists have been arrested in New Jersey for planning terrorist attacks against an Army base.&#160; Six men authorities described as radical Islamic terrorists arrested Monday night in Cherry Hill for plannin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Jersey Jihad...</strong></p>
<p>As has been reported since last night six Jihadists have been arrested in New Jersey for planning terrorist attacks against an Army base.  Six men authorities described as radical Islamic terrorists arrested Monday night in Cherry Hill for plannin...</p>
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		<title>By: JammieWearingFool</title>
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		<dc:creator>JammieWearingFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;They&#039;re All Muslims, But......&lt;/strong&gt;

Now that much more is known about the six Muslims arrested in New Jersey, the spin from Muslims begins....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>They're All Muslims, But......</strong></p>
<p>Now that much more is known about the six Muslims arrested in New Jersey, the spin from Muslims begins....</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point in attacking an army base is to show no fear of the enemy.  Face it, this would have been a suicide attack so why not hit the enemy where it would seem the strongest (even though it&#039;s a military base there are only a few people with loaded weapons walking around).  The impact on those abroad who hate us would be immense.  They would speak of the heroes who attacked a military base and showed the world the weakness of the U.S..  Of course they could have also changed targets and gone to the local mall or school.

They could have also been waiting to buy the weapons until just before any attack.  Why buy early when it could attract attention?

Again, the potential for a serious loss of life was very real.  If a twenty something at Virginia Tech can kill 32 how many could six armed with rifles kill?  Six religious fanatics?  Six who didn&#039;t care if they lived or died?

We can shoot holes in their plan all day but that doesn&#039;t lessen the fact it could have succeeded.  Bumbling idiots can do a lot of damage.  They were looking to do us harm, that&#039;s enough of a threat for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point in attacking an army base is to show no fear of the enemy.  Face it, this would have been a suicide attack so why not hit the enemy where it would seem the strongest (even though it's a military base there are only a few people with loaded weapons walking around).  The impact on those abroad who hate us would be immense.  They would speak of the heroes who attacked a military base and showed the world the weakness of the U.S..  Of course they could have also changed targets and gone to the local mall or school.</p>
<p>They could have also been waiting to buy the weapons until just before any attack.  Why buy early when it could attract attention?</p>
<p>Again, the potential for a serious loss of life was very real.  If a twenty something at Virginia Tech can kill 32 how many could six armed with rifles kill?  Six religious fanatics?  Six who didn't care if they lived or died?</p>
<p>We can shoot holes in their plan all day but that doesn't lessen the fact it could have succeeded.  Bumbling idiots can do a lot of damage.  They were looking to do us harm, that's enough of a threat for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They don&#039;t need to be smart to pull a trigger or make a fertilizer bomb. How about jump in a fuel truck and crash it into a school?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Apparently you have to be smart enough to buy the gun &lt;em&gt;which these jerk offs were not&lt;/em&gt;.

See the appledumpling gang comparison?  Let&#039;s face it when you can&#039;t buy &lt;em&gt;guns&lt;/em&gt; in &lt;em&gt;America&lt;/em&gt; you have a severe IQ deficiency.  

Is there something in the water in redstates that causes people to inflate threats all out of proportion?  


Anderson:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Right, Steve, but they were going to attack a fort.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right which is the second part.  Not only were they incompetent to pull off a school shooting kind of scenario but they were aiming at a target that would have reamed them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They don't need to be smart to pull a trigger or make a fertilizer bomb. How about jump in a fuel truck and crash it into a school?
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<p>Apparently you have to be smart enough to buy the gun <em>which these jerk offs were not</em>.</p>
<p>See the appledumpling gang comparison?  Let's face it when you can't buy <em>guns</em> in <em>America</em> you have a severe IQ deficiency.  </p>
<p>Is there something in the water in redstates that causes people to inflate threats all out of proportion?  </p>
<p>Anderson:</p>
<blockquote><p>Right, Steve, but they were going to attack a fort.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right which is the second part.  Not only were they incompetent to pull off a school shooting kind of scenario but they were aiming at a target that would have reamed them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I guess I&#039;m not expressing sufficient shock and horror at this story but I can only think of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piranha_Brothers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Piranha Brothers&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Luigi: (Michael Palin) (looking round office casually) You&#039;ve ... you&#039;ve got a nice army base here, Colonel.

Colonel: Yes.

Luigi: We wouldn&#039;t want anything to happen to it. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m left with only one question:  if we can&#039;t harden a military base, what target can we harden?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I guess I'm not expressing sufficient shock and horror at this story but I can only think of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piranha_Brothers" rel="nofollow">Piranha Brothers</a>.</p>
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Luigi: (Michael Palin) (looking round office casually) You've ... you've got a nice army base here, Colonel.</p>
<p>Colonel: Yes.</p>
<p>Luigi: We wouldn't want anything to happen to it.
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<p>I'm left with only one question:  if we can't harden a military base, what target can we harden?</p>
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