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	<title>Comments on: Fossil Fuels Better for Environment than Biofuels</title>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/fossil_fuels_better_for_enivronment_than_biofuels_/comment-page-1/#comment-142908</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

The EROEI on biofuels is mostly negative - a few promise positive, but low, EROEI. For a negative EROEI, it&#039;s much better to just cut out the middleman and use petroleum. Even for EROEI sufficiently low, it&#039;s dumb to waste time on biofuels which could displace food crops; and frankly, anybody who thinks biofuels can provide more than a fraction of our energy needs is a lunatic - fossil fuels are the equivalent of thousands of years of stored solar energy, and we think we&#039;re going to get enough energy out of exactly ONE year via ethanol or switchgrass? Even old inefficient photovoltaics are a better investment of both energy and money; and wind is nearly competitive with coal these days - stop wasting time on farm subsidy crap and just get going with the stuff that actually works.

Bithead, you&#039;re a real piece of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>The EROEI on biofuels is mostly negative - a few promise positive, but low, EROEI. For a negative EROEI, it's much better to just cut out the middleman and use petroleum. Even for EROEI sufficiently low, it's dumb to waste time on biofuels which could displace food crops; and frankly, anybody who thinks biofuels can provide more than a fraction of our energy needs is a lunatic - fossil fuels are the equivalent of thousands of years of stored solar energy, and we think we're going to get enough energy out of exactly ONE year via ethanol or switchgrass? Even old inefficient photovoltaics are a better investment of both energy and money; and wind is nearly competitive with coal these days - stop wasting time on farm subsidy crap and just get going with the stuff that actually works.</p>
<p>Bithead, you're a real piece of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason is that producing biofuel is not a “green process”. It requires tractors and fertilisers and land, all of which means burning fossil fuels to make “green” fuel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Now, this is pretty strange reasoning.  Presumably this would be true in the beginning, but in the long run those tractors would run on biofuels, wound&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The reason is that producing biofuel is not a “green process”. It requires tractors and fertilisers and land, all of which means burning fossil fuels to make “green” fuel.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, this is pretty strange reasoning.  Presumably this would be true in the beginning, but in the long run those tractors would run on biofuels, wound't they?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark My Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark My Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;72 pieces of terrorist on the wall......&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;d like to know where they got those motor rounds. We should send them a bunch more......</description>
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<p>I'd like to know where they got those motor rounds. We should send them a bunch more......</p>
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		<title>By: Mark My Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark My Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Anne Rice on politics...&lt;/strong&gt;

While I disagree with her endorsement of Hillary!, what she has to say is interesting and can give those of us who are pro-life, as she is, something to think about......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Anne Rice on politics...</strong></p>
<p>While I disagree with her endorsement of Hillary!, what she has to say is interesting and can give those of us who are pro-life, as she is, something to think about......</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Tell Me Why They Had To Die.&#8221; at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Tell Me Why They Had To Die.&#8221; at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Amboy Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Amboy Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Western &#039;Beasts&#039; Use Colored Underwear to Conceal Their Filth...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here&#039;s the latest addition to the List of Things That Offend Muslims. As usual, the complaint is very damning over a trivial issue.JW: There are rules of shari&#039;a in everything. We have counted almost 70 rules about how to urinate...</description>
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<p>Here's the latest addition to the List of Things That Offend Muslims. As usual, the complaint is very damning over a trivial issue.JW: There are rules of shari'a in everything. We have counted almost 70 rules about how to urinate...</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Green fuel&#8221; isn&#8217;t: The argument against Biofuels &#124; BitsBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Green fuel&#8221; isn&#8217;t: The argument against Biofuels &#124; BitsBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner notes the same story: Andrew Samwick observes, &#8220;Putting energy reform in the hands of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 30 years of work against domestic petroleum refiners, by the enviro-wacko left, we now find ourselves in the situation where we have Insufficient drilling capacities at home, and insufficient refining capacities at home, to meet the demand.  Of course, the hope (thought they would never admit it)  was that tightening the supply of oil would increase the supply of other forms of energy, such as biofuels.  This was supposed to be our energy panacea.  

But, like every other wet dream these people have come up with, it&#039;s turned into a nightmare. It has become clear that we are not going to be able to do that.  As a result, we now have an energy starved nation, paying $3.00 a gallon and better for the ability to drive back and forth to work... and all the economic repercussions that invokes.

The common complaint, and one that I am sympathetic to, is that our environmentalist friends are about damaging the economy of the united states, and with it, our standing in the world.  It&#039;s pretty hard argue against that statement, with results like what we have in front of us.  

For 30 years and longer we have, at the behest of the &quot;environmentalist&quot; left, avoided the real solution: increased domestic drilling and increased domestic refining capacity.  

It&#039;s about time we turn that situation around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 30 years of work against domestic petroleum refiners, by the enviro-wacko left, we now find ourselves in the situation where we have Insufficient drilling capacities at home, and insufficient refining capacities at home, to meet the demand.  Of course, the hope (thought they would never admit it)  was that tightening the supply of oil would increase the supply of other forms of energy, such as biofuels.  This was supposed to be our energy panacea.  </p>
<p>But, like every other wet dream these people have come up with, it's turned into a nightmare. It has become clear that we are not going to be able to do that.  As a result, we now have an energy starved nation, paying $3.00 a gallon and better for the ability to drive back and forth to work... and all the economic repercussions that invokes.</p>
<p>The common complaint, and one that I am sympathetic to, is that our environmentalist friends are about damaging the economy of the united states, and with it, our standing in the world.  It's pretty hard argue against that statement, with results like what we have in front of us.  </p>
<p>For 30 years and longer we have, at the behest of the "environmentalist" left, avoided the real solution: increased domestic drilling and increased domestic refining capacity.  </p>
<p>It's about time we turn that situation around.</p>
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		<title>By: Faultline USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faultline USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Islam, Islamism, and America...&lt;/strong&gt;

Today I decided to revisit some of the articles weve written in the past year about Islam and Islamism . Perhaps our questions and conclusions will stimulate questions of your own?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Islam, Islamism, and America...</strong></p>
<p>Today I decided to revisit some of the articles weve written in the past year about Islam and Islamism . Perhaps our questions and conclusions will stimulate questions of your own?...</p>
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		<title>By: Stageleft:. Life on the left side &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Missionaries Need Not Apply</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stageleft:. Life on the left side &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Missionaries Need Not Apply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Outside the Beltway, Rosemary&#8217;s Thoughts, Faultline USA, Stageleft, Big Dog&#8217;s Weblog, Right Truth, The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wake up America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wake up America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tell me why they had to die...&lt;/strong&gt;

Those that are mourning those three students that were lined up against a wall and shot in the head, executed, are asking why?...</description>
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<p>Those that are mourning those three students that were lined up against a wall and shot in the head, executed, are asking why?...</p>
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		<title>By: The Cost of Supporting the Fair Tax &#124; Adam's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cost of Supporting the Fair Tax &#124; Adam's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Right Pundits, Outside the Beltway, Blog @ MoreWhat.com, Perri Nelson&#8217;s Website, Rosemary&#8217;s Thoughts, 123beta, Big [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pirate&#8217;s Cove &#187; &#62;&#62;Americans Never Quit &#187; Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pirate&#8217;s Cove &#187; &#62;&#62;Americans Never Quit &#187; Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner says fossil fuels are better then bio fuesl for the environment. Heh! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark My Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark My Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Oops - article published too soon...&lt;/strong&gt;

It seems the usual suspects are rushing to undermine the progress report of General Petraeus, before he even gives the report. A recent article, including the usual unnamed military source......</description>
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<p>It seems the usual suspects are rushing to undermine the progress report of General Petraeus, before he even gives the report. A recent article, including the usual unnamed military source......</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Andrew Samwick observes, “Putting energy reform in the hands of domestic agricultural producers seems like no better an idea than putting it in the hands of domestic petroleum producers.”
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Are those the alternatives?  Or are we really talking about putting energy reform in the hands of NOC&#039;s?

Canada and Mexico aren&#039;t so bad but look at the rest of the major players:  KSA, Russia, Iran, Nigeria, Venezuela.

I agree that subsidizing corn production for use in ethanol. The arguments against &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cellulosic ethanol&lt;/a&gt; production don&#039;t seem as strong.</description>
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Andrew Samwick observes, “Putting energy reform in the hands of domestic agricultural producers seems like no better an idea than putting it in the hands of domestic petroleum producers.”
</p></blockquote>
<p>Are those the alternatives?  Or are we really talking about putting energy reform in the hands of NOC's?</p>
<p>Canada and Mexico aren't so bad but look at the rest of the major players:  KSA, Russia, Iran, Nigeria, Venezuela.</p>
<p>I agree that subsidizing corn production for use in ethanol. The arguments against <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol" rel="nofollow">cellulosic ethanol</a> production don't seem as strong.</p>
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