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		<title>By: Nightly Ramble: So, now what? &#124; BitsBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nightly Ramble: So, now what? &#124; BitsBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joyner notes: Juan Williams is choking up at the significance of a black man being elected president. It is indeed quite incredible. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/fox_calls_election_for_obama/comment-page-1/#comment-521073</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A further point; Remmeber when Colin POwell was being called Bush&#039;s &#039;House N!%%3r?&quot; Yep... that was before he endorsed Obama, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further point; Remmeber when Colin POwell was being called Bush's 'House N!%%3r?" Yep... that was before he endorsed Obama, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/fox_calls_election_for_obama/comment-page-1/#comment-521067</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum:@Michael I thnk I&#039;ve answered your argument, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum:@Michael I thnk I've answered your argument, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Remember if you support the goal racial equality you cannot celebrate any milestone on the road to that goal. That would be racist&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, let&#039;s examine this.

Oddly, a goodly number of the folks talking about how this ends racism, are the same folks who were not supporting Clarence Thomas. Remember? 

Come to thnk of it, I don&#039;t recall Michael Steele being hailed by the usually long line of race baiters as accomplishing great things. I don&#039;t recall J.C.Watts being so hailed, either. So do blacks only get celebrated for their huge accomplishments if they&#039;re LIBERAL blacks?

Let&#039;s examine this just a bit further to sharpen the point; If Hillary Clinton had won, we&#039;d have heard all about how sexism was all done. Ask yourself; Had Sarah Palin been elected as VP, would the reaction have been anywhere near the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Remember if you support the goal racial equality you cannot celebrate any milestone on the road to that goal. That would be racist</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, let's examine this.</p>
<p>Oddly, a goodly number of the folks talking about how this ends racism, are the same folks who were not supporting Clarence Thomas. Remember? </p>
<p>Come to thnk of it, I don't recall Michael Steele being hailed by the usually long line of race baiters as accomplishing great things. I don't recall J.C.Watts being so hailed, either. So do blacks only get celebrated for their huge accomplishments if they're LIBERAL blacks?</p>
<p>Let's examine this just a bit further to sharpen the point; If Hillary Clinton had won, we'd have heard all about how sexism was all done. Ask yourself; Had Sarah Palin been elected as VP, would the reaction have been anywhere near the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael and Eric,
Remember if you support the goal racial equality you cannot celebrate any milestone on the road to that goal.  That would be racist.

Oh, and why do you hate white people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael and Eric,<br />
Remember if you support the goal racial equality you cannot celebrate any milestone on the road to that goal.  That would be racist.</p>
<p>Oh, and why do you hate white people?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the moon shot happened because of race?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Alright, you got my point, but rather than concede you&#039;re just being deliberately obstuse.  Let me know when you want to hold an honest conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So the moon shot happened because of race?</p></blockquote>
<p>Alright, you got my point, but rather than concede you're just being deliberately obstuse.  Let me know when you want to hold an honest conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the moon shot happened because of race?
Look, if race is important, then we&#039;ve not gotten post-racial yet. Seems simple enough a concept to grasp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the moon shot happened because of race?<br />
Look, if race is important, then we've not gotten post-racial yet. Seems simple enough a concept to grasp.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is supposed to be a post-racial America, and yet we spend all this time on a racial hurdle? Sorry, something doesn&#039;t quite add up, here. Why would anyone think it was out of the oridinary if, as we&#039;re told, race doesn&#039;t matter?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; out of the ordinary, even though race wasn&#039;t a primary issue in this campaign, it is still historically unprecedented.  

Nobody was surprised when we landed on the moon in 1969, everybody knew it was going to happen, but it was still an incredible thing wouldn&#039;t you agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is supposed to be a post-racial America, and yet we spend all this time on a racial hurdle? Sorry, something doesn't quite add up, here. Why would anyone think it was out of the oridinary if, as we're told, race doesn't matter?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because it <i>is</i> out of the ordinary, even though race wasn't a primary issue in this campaign, it is still historically unprecedented.  </p>
<p>Nobody was surprised when we landed on the moon in 1969, everybody knew it was going to happen, but it was still an incredible thing wouldn't you agree?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum:

 James suggests in another post that Obama won over racism. 

Maybe. 

But, if, as you seem to think...(and clearly Williams agrees with your take)... this is  to be taken as a  win for a particular racial &lt;i&gt;group&lt;/i&gt;, then Obama won not in spite of racism, but &lt;strong&gt;because&lt;/strong&gt; of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum:</p>
<p> James suggests in another post that Obama won over racism. </p>
<p>Maybe. </p>
<p>But, if, as you seem to think...(and clearly Williams agrees with your take)... this is  to be taken as a  win for a particular racial <i>group</i>, then Obama won not in spite of racism, but <strong>because</strong> of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can we normalize this &quot;number of votes&quot; thing to population for crying out loud. It is like saying Americans are richer than ever since even the lowest income today is several multiples of what was considered middle class in 1900. Clearly a nonsensical measure.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I remember hearing this in 2004, that Bush got a higher &quot;number of votes&quot; than any president in history.  I think John Kerry also got more votes than any prior president, and he still lost.  So yeah, lets lose this meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can we normalize this "number of votes" thing to population for crying out loud. It is like saying Americans are richer than ever since even the lowest income today is several multiples of what was considered middle class in 1900. Clearly a nonsensical measure.</p></blockquote>
<p>I remember hearing this in 2004, that Bush got a higher "number of votes" than any president in history.  I think John Kerry also got more votes than any prior president, and he still lost.  So yeah, lets lose this meme.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Claiming to be &quot;color blind&quot; and presumably unimpressed that an African-American won the presidency for the first time is at a minimum disingenuous but, in your case, simply shows your true colors: ignorant and spiteful. Even if you are &quot;color blind,&quot; you don&#039;t need to be ignorant of the historic nature of Obama&#039;s win.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 This is supposed to be a post-racial America, and yet we spend all this time on a racial hurdle? Sorry, something doesn&#039;t quite add up, here. Why would anyone think it was out of the oridinary if, as we&#039;re told, race doesn&#039;t matter?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you feel the same way about Jackie Robinson? About any number of African-American--or any other minority--firsts?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As a matter of fact, yes, but for reasons, apparently different from yours. The accomplishments of the people as you mention are worthy of mention and recognition because of their efforts as individuals not because they were/are of a racial category. 

You meanwhile, can&#039;t get beyond their skin color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Claiming to be "color blind" and presumably unimpressed that an African-American won the presidency for the first time is at a minimum disingenuous but, in your case, simply shows your true colors: ignorant and spiteful. Even if you are "color blind," you don't need to be ignorant of the historic nature of Obama's win.</p></blockquote>
<p> This is supposed to be a post-racial America, and yet we spend all this time on a racial hurdle? Sorry, something doesn't quite add up, here. Why would anyone think it was out of the oridinary if, as we're told, race doesn't matter?</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you feel the same way about Jackie Robinson? About any number of African-American--or any other minority--firsts?</p></blockquote>
<p>As a matter of fact, yes, but for reasons, apparently different from yours. The accomplishments of the people as you mention are worthy of mention and recognition because of their efforts as individuals not because they were/are of a racial category. </p>
<p>You meanwhile, can't get beyond their skin color.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would anyone consider it incredible? I thought race didn&#039;t matter&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Claiming to be &quot;color blind&quot; and presumably unimpressed that an African-American won the presidency for the first time is at a minimum disingenuous but, in your case, simply shows your true colors: ignorant and spiteful. Even if you are &quot;color blind,&quot; you don&#039;t need to be ignorant of the historic nature of Obama&#039;s win.

Tell us, O enlightened one: Do you feel the same way about Jackie Robinson? About any number of African-American--or any other minority--firsts? Is conservative &quot;color blindness&quot; the reason African-Americans flock to the Republican party in droves? Or the reason why conservatives use fear of race every time they run an ad on TV--you know, Bit.

Spare us all your fake enlightenment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why would anyone consider it incredible? I thought race didn't matter</p></blockquote>
<p>Claiming to be "color blind" and presumably unimpressed that an African-American won the presidency for the first time is at a minimum disingenuous but, in your case, simply shows your true colors: ignorant and spiteful. Even if you are "color blind," you don't need to be ignorant of the historic nature of Obama's win.</p>
<p>Tell us, O enlightened one: Do you feel the same way about Jackie Robinson? About any number of African-American--or any other minority--firsts? Is conservative "color blindness" the reason African-Americans flock to the Republican party in droves? Or the reason why conservatives use fear of race every time they run an ad on TV--you know, Bit.</p>
<p>Spare us all your fake enlightenment.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap I dint get stuck in the spamalot!!!! lol.</description>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if one good thing comes out of this, I will agree with Don Imus in that kids of color can now believe that they can be anything they want to in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if one good thing comes out of this, I will agree with Don Imus in that kids of color can now believe that they can be anything they want to in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Juan Williams is choking up at the significance of a black man being elected president.  It is indeed quite incredible.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Why would anyone consider it incredible? I thought race didn&#039;t matter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Juan Williams is choking up at the significance of a black man being elected president.  It is indeed quite incredible.</p></blockquote>
<p> Why would anyone consider it incredible? I thought race didn't matter</p>
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