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	<title>Comments on: Fred Thompson This Year&#8217;s Wesley Clark?</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/fred_thompson_this_years_wesley_clark/comment-page-1/#comment-152912</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but saying you have a minor in history and that you read books doesn&#039;t count for jack squat.  Just say what you think and don&#039;t give out mediocre qualifications.
Clark can run circles around any of the people posting on this board, including me, let&#039;s show the man some deserved respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sorry but saying you have a minor in history and that you read books doesn't count for jack squat.  Just say what you think and don't give out mediocre qualifications.<br />
Clark can run circles around any of the people posting on this board, including me, let's show the man some deserved respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/fred_thompson_this_years_wesley_clark/comment-page-1/#comment-152034</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Didn&#039;t that guy in Pittsburgh go 15-1 his rookie year (waiting, alas, for the AFC Championship to begin playing like a rookie)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep, although it was a run-oriented system that generally didn&#039;t call on him to win guys with his arm.  Still, he did well, as did Dan Marino, who got his start about halfway through his rookie year.  Both had the luxury of playing for very good teams with established coaching systems.  Usually, the greats start off on awful teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Didn't that guy in Pittsburgh go 15-1 his rookie year (waiting, alas, for the AFC Championship to begin playing like a rookie)?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, although it was a run-oriented system that generally didn't call on him to win guys with his arm.  Still, he did well, as did Dan Marino, who got his start about halfway through his rookie year.  Both had the luxury of playing for very good teams with established coaching systems.  Usually, the greats start off on awful teams.</p>
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		<title>By: fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t that guy in Pittsburgh go 15-1 his rookie year (waiting, alas, for the AFC Championship to begin playing like a rookie)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't that guy in Pittsburgh go 15-1 his rookie year (waiting, alas, for the AFC Championship to begin playing like a rookie)?</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beldar,

The problem is the original contrast that was sighted.  You can argue about Clark&#039;s leadership if you want, but comparing them so unfavorably to Thompson&#039;s seem a big stretch.  Forgot the opinion of Democrats, Republicans like Rick Brookhiser and many others have serious questions of Thompson&#039;s depth and tenure in the Senate.  Thompson didn&#039;t get a lot of bills in his name, and didn&#039;t cement a reputation for being much of a leader either,  and being a lobbyist and an actor don&#039;t really demonstrate much in the way of leadership.  To compare his resume to a former General who led a successful war in Bosnia seems like nothing more than a partisan conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beldar,</p>
<p>The problem is the original contrast that was sighted.  You can argue about Clark's leadership if you want, but comparing them so unfavorably to Thompson's seem a big stretch.  Forgot the opinion of Democrats, Republicans like Rick Brookhiser and many others have serious questions of Thompson's depth and tenure in the Senate.  Thompson didn't get a lot of bills in his name, and didn't cement a reputation for being much of a leader either,  and being a lobbyist and an actor don't really demonstrate much in the way of leadership.  To compare his resume to a former General who led a successful war in Bosnia seems like nothing more than a partisan conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican National Convention Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republican National Convention Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;blogging, force for democracy or information chaos...&lt;/strong&gt;

the revolution of interactivity and user-generated content on the internet is leading to &#039;less culture, less reliable news and a chaos of useless information&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>blogging, force for democracy or information chaos...</strong></p>
<p>the revolution of interactivity and user-generated content on the internet is leading to 'less culture, less reliable news and a chaos of useless information'...</p>
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		<title>By: CommonSenseAmerica - Illegal Immigration, America, Freedom, News and Opinion &#187; Feinstein: Petraeus is there to succeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>CommonSenseAmerica - Illegal Immigration, America, Freedom, News and Opinion &#187; Feinstein: Petraeus is there to succeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Questions and comparisons surround the OBL video...&lt;/strong&gt;

The first I heard of this it was about the eerie similarity between OBL&#039;s rants and the Democrat or Liberal talking points, in this case as stated by Keith Olbermann. 
 
Truly there are some similarities.&#160; See the clip below for more from the G...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Questions and comparisons surround the OBL video...</strong></p>
<p>The first I heard of this it was about the eerie similarity between OBL's rants and the Democrat or Liberal talking points, in this case as stated by Keith Olbermann. </p>
<p>Truly there are some similarities.  See the clip below for more from the G...</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been including you in my linkfests, but I do not appear anywhere. Is there a reason for this?

I like your football analogy. The other stuff didn&#039;t really sink in until you used the QB. lol. Great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been including you in my linkfests, but I do not appear anywhere. Is there a reason for this?</p>
<p>I like your football analogy. The other stuff didn't really sink in until you used the QB. lol. Great job.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Editorial: The nonsense needs to stop, now.&#160;-&#160;The Detroit Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Editorial: The nonsense needs to stop, now.&#160;-&#160;The Detroit Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if we extend the football metaphor still further: Does that make Hillary into Steve Young, to Bill Clinton&#039;s Joe Montana, since she&#039;s &lt;i&gt;been&lt;/i&gt; to the Super Bowl but not (yet) as the starting QB?

Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if we extend the football metaphor still further: Does that make Hillary into Steve Young, to Bill Clinton's Joe Montana, since she's <i>been</i> to the Super Bowl but not (yet) as the starting QB?</p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EllenG, with due respect, you don&#039;t score points for Gen. Clark by belittling those who are less impressed with him than you are.  I took a minor in history at UT-Austin and made nothing but A&#039;s in it, and I&#039;ve continue to read history books (including but not limited to presidential biographies and military history books) voraciously. I&#039;m certainly not a professional historian, but neither am I ignorant of it &#151; and I can find plenty of folks with history credentials vastly superior to mine who&#039;d disagree with you.

I read your linked opinion piece, and it&#039;s enormously to his credit that Gen. Clark can generate admiration and loyalty from staff and subordinates from his military days.  No one can rise to the heights that he did within the Army without having something on the ball.  Now, I have read opinions from others who have military career experience that I lack, and who also have personal experience with Gen. Clark, who nevertheless have less flattering views of him than you do; but let&#039;s put them aside for a moment and assume that he was a great, extraordinary general. 

Nothing in your comment here, nor in the piece that you linked, shows that he&#039;s a &quot;leader&quot; other than in a military context.  And even from a military context, he&#039;s no Washington, Grant, or Eisenhower.

There&#039;s a good reason so few of our presidents have been chosen based &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; on their attributes as military leaders.  Clark had essentially no &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; credentials or experience. He was never a serious political candidate in the eyes of anyone who wasn&#039;t already besotted with him, and his lack of experience in the political arena is why his campaign exploded so dramatically, making him (sadly, I&#039;d agree) a political punch-line now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EllenG, with due respect, you don't score points for Gen. Clark by belittling those who are less impressed with him than you are.  I took a minor in history at UT-Austin and made nothing but A's in it, and I've continue to read history books (including but not limited to presidential biographies and military history books) voraciously. I'm certainly not a professional historian, but neither am I ignorant of it &#8212; and I can find plenty of folks with history credentials vastly superior to mine who'd disagree with you.</p>
<p>I read your linked opinion piece, and it's enormously to his credit that Gen. Clark can generate admiration and loyalty from staff and subordinates from his military days.  No one can rise to the heights that he did within the Army without having something on the ball.  Now, I have read opinions from others who have military career experience that I lack, and who also have personal experience with Gen. Clark, who nevertheless have less flattering views of him than you do; but let's put them aside for a moment and assume that he was a great, extraordinary general. </p>
<p>Nothing in your comment here, nor in the piece that you linked, shows that he's a "leader" other than in a military context.  And even from a military context, he's no Washington, Grant, or Eisenhower.</p>
<p>There's a good reason so few of our presidents have been chosen based <i>only</i> on their attributes as military leaders.  Clark had essentially no <i>other</i> credentials or experience. He was never a serious political candidate in the eyes of anyone who wasn't already besotted with him, and his lack of experience in the political arena is why his campaign exploded so dramatically, making him (sadly, I'd agree) a political punch-line now.</p>
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		<title>By: Nuke&#8217;s News &#38; Views &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Primary politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuke&#8217;s News &#38; Views &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Primary politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: EllenG</title>
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		<dc:creator>EllenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who wants veteran presidential candidates? I want candidates who are proven leaders.

Only those who failed history and/or haven&#039;t studied since could assert that General Clark is not a proven leader. I offer the following:

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12967

As to &#039;Publius&#039; assertion, it appears that adopting the foolishness of others is acceptable; if you can&#039;t be original, get another job, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wants veteran presidential candidates? I want candidates who are proven leaders.</p>
<p>Only those who failed history and/or haven't studied since could assert that General Clark is not a proven leader. I offer the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12967" rel="nofollow">http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12967</a></p>
<p>As to 'Publius' assertion, it appears that adopting the foolishness of others is acceptable; if you can't be original, get another job, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary's Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemary's Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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I have filled out a petition to put an end to the theives over at the ACLU. Are you aware that our very own government PAYS them to do to us what we would not allow the government do? Nice, eh? NO! It isn&#039;t. That is why we must put a stop to it r .......</description>
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<p>I have filled out a petition to put an end to the theives over at the ACLU. Are you aware that our very own government PAYS them to do to us what we would not allow the government do? Nice, eh? NO! It isn't. That is why we must put a stop to it r .......</p>
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