Comments on: Free Salon http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/ Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:17:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Sgt Fluffy http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17855 Sgt Fluffy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17855 Free may be free, but will there be any one in the Armed Forces willing to endure their pub? Free may be free, but will there be any one in the Armed Forces willing to endure their pub?

]]> By: Sander http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17856 Sander Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17856 well, The <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0405270273may27,1,6621136.story?coll=chi-business-hed">O'Franken Factor is beating Rush in NYC</a>:<blockquote>An analysis of recently released figures from Arbitron, the radio ratings service, showed that in New York Air America beat Rush Limbaugh's station among 25-to-54-year-olds during the period that Limbaugh and Al Franken, the host of the flagship show "The O'Franken Factor," go head-to-head.</blockquote> well, The O'Franken Factor is beating Rush in NYC:
An analysis of recently released figures from Arbitron, the radio ratings service, showed that in New York Air America beat Rush Limbaugh's station among 25-to-54-year-olds during the period that Limbaugh and Al Franken, the host of the flagship show "The O'Franken Factor," go head-to-head.

]]> By: James Joyner http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17857 James Joyner Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17857 Sander: It wouldn't surprise me that Franken would beat Rush among the younger demographic in one of our more liberal cities, but that's not what the story actually says. They're comparing two radio stations from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Rush is on from noon to 3 p.m. They don't say what comes on in those two hours before Rush's show or mention during which hours Franken's show appears. Sander: It wouldn't surprise me that Franken would beat Rush among the younger demographic in one of our more liberal cities, but that's not what the story actually says. They're comparing two radio stations from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Rush is on from noon to 3 p.m. They don't say what comes on in those two hours before Rush's show or mention during which hours Franken's show appears.

]]> By: Sander http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17858 Sander Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17858 Well sure, but you asked for the most popular liberal show, which - based on the preliminary numbers - will probably be The O'Franken Factor. On your specific points: It is true that the older demographics are unstated, but America's servicemen are mostly of an age between 18 and 54 (and yes NYC maybe more liberal than most cities but it is also the largest market). Maybe it wouldn't surprise you, but from all the cheap shots from right-wing editorials and blogs, I bet they're gnashing their teeth right now. Al Franken is also on from noon to 3. Unfiltered comes on before that. I don't know which show runs before Rush's, so I'm not sure which one is more popular. Still, the fact remains that Air America radio is a strong competitor to right-wing radio and not several rungs down the ladder. Well sure, but you asked for the most popular liberal show, which - based on the preliminary numbers - will probably be The O'Franken Factor.

On your specific points: It is true that the older demographics are unstated, but America's servicemen are mostly of an age between 18 and 54 (and yes NYC maybe more liberal than most cities but it is also the largest market). Maybe it wouldn't surprise you, but from all the cheap shots from right-wing editorials and blogs, I bet they're gnashing their teeth right now.

Al Franken is also on from noon to 3. Unfiltered comes on before that. I don't know which show runs before Rush's, so I'm not sure which one is more popular.

Still, the fact remains that Air America radio is a strong competitor to right-wing radio and not several rungs down the ladder.

]]> By: Paul http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17859 Paul Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17859 <i> Presumably, the reason Rush Limbaugh—whose views about Abu Ghraib are in direct contradiction to that of the chain of command, incidentally</i> Other than the fact that Salon completely distorted what Limbaugh said about it! He spoke for over 4 hours on the topic and they highlight one sentence. Maureen Dowd would be proud. Presumably, the reason Rush Limbaugh—whose views about Abu Ghraib are in direct contradiction to that of the chain of command, incidentally

Other than the fact that Salon completely distorted what Limbaugh said about it!

He spoke for over 4 hours on the topic and they highlight one sentence. Maureen Dowd would be proud.

]]> By: McGehee http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17860 McGehee Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17860 Sander, Air America has failed in two of its initial four markets and only got on in those four markets by buying the air time. Limbaugh's program has subsisted on sponsorships from the get-go, making it a legitimate commercial success in every market it's gotten into. If Air America were as popular as you seem to believe, they would have gotten on the air the same way Limbaugh did, and been growing consistently ever since -- like Limbaugh did. Sander, Air America has failed in two of its initial four markets and only got on in those four markets by buying the air time.

Limbaugh's program has subsisted on sponsorships from the get-go, making it a legitimate commercial success in every market it's gotten into.

If Air America were as popular as you seem to believe, they would have gotten on the air the same way Limbaugh did, and been growing consistently ever since -- like Limbaugh did.

]]> By: Sander http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17861 Sander Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17861 McGeeHee, First, it did not 'fail', there were legal problems with the stations proprietor. Whether the shows sucked big wind or impressed even the angels up above with their sweet, sweet voices had nothing to do with it. Right now they have 14 local stations and 2 national, with at least 7 coming up. 'Buying air time' has to do with the business model of Air America Radio. Instead of consisting of syndicated shows, it's a network, and a network needs a radio station. It was a gamble but it seems to have paid off. It is now an interesting market for investors, which makes it a legitimate commercial success and it seems to me you are crying foul because you plain don't like its concept. Besides, going from 0.1 to 2 percent in 28 days, like in Chicago, seems pretty successful to me. McGeeHee,

First, it did not 'fail', there were legal problems with the stations proprietor. Whether the shows sucked big wind or impressed even the angels up above with their sweet, sweet voices had nothing to do with it. Right now they have 14 local stations and 2 national, with at least 7 coming up.

'Buying air time' has to do with the business model of Air America Radio. Instead of consisting of syndicated shows, it's a network, and a network needs a radio station. It was a gamble but it seems to have paid off.

It is now an interesting market for investors, which makes it a legitimate commercial success and it seems to me you are crying foul because you plain don't like its concept.

Besides, going from 0.1 to 2 percent in 28 days, like in Chicago, seems pretty successful to me.

]]> By: Jimmie http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17862 Jimmie Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17862 From a 2 million dollar startup investment to its most popular host working for free, lawsuits for unpaid bills from two parent stations, and nearly every founding member of its corporate structure gone. That's certainly the recipe I'd write for success. From a 2 million dollar startup investment to its most popular host working for free, lawsuits for unpaid bills from two parent stations, and nearly every founding member of its corporate structure gone.

That's certainly the recipe I'd write for success.

]]> By: Billy http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/free_salon/comment-page-1/#comment-17863 Billy Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 /?p=6307#comment-17863 Lets see, Rush Limbaugh-600 stations, Sean Hannity-450 stations, Bill O'Reilly-420 stations, Al Franken-6...oh wait...make that 5 stations. Rush has 20 million listeners, Al Franken hasn't even touched 5 million yet, and yet you try to compare them? Lets say Al Franken has moved up to 14, can that still compare to 600? I gave him 6 months and he is dead in 2, sad really. --- Lets see, Rush Limbaugh-600 stations, Sean Hannity-450 stations, Bill O'Reilly-420 stations, Al Franken-6...oh wait...make that 5 stations. Rush has 20 million listeners, Al Franken hasn't even touched 5 million yet, and yet you try to compare them? Lets say Al Franken has moved up to 14, can that still compare to 600? I gave him 6 months and he is dead in 2, sad really.

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