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		<title>By: Weekly Web Watch 07/13/09 – 07/19/09 &#171; EXECUTIVE WATCH</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/from_the_sounds_pretty_but_wont_happen_dept/comment-page-1/#comment-1108973</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Web Watch 07/13/09 – 07/19/09 &#171; EXECUTIVE WATCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is sometimes unavoidable.  Alex Knapp pours some cold water on the argument, noting that tools to provide transparency are already available – and hardly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/from_the_sounds_pretty_but_wont_happen_dept/comment-page-1/#comment-1104070</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and congressional debates are near worthless, kind of like Senate Confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justices.  They are all political theater and yield little to no edification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and congressional debates are near worthless, kind of like Senate Confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justices.  They are all political theater and yield little to no edification.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/from_the_sounds_pretty_but_wont_happen_dept/comment-page-1/#comment-1104062</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, FWIW, I don&#039;t believe a waiting period is a good idea per se, but I do believe a person should know what&#039;s in a bill before voting for it (or against it).  By the way, the argument that we must do something right now, that it cannot even wait a week was utter bullshit the first time the Obama administration used it and it only smells worse now.  I&#039;m really starting to wonder what&#039;s left of Obama&#039;s agenda (or an America that values the rule of law, invidual liberty, and free markets) for years two, three, and four.

I&#039;d turn your question around though.  Why is the Congressional Leadership so anxious to provide no time for review of the legislation -- even by those who must decide upon it?  Do you think this is good for representative democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, FWIW, I don't believe a waiting period is a good idea per se, but I do believe a person should know what's in a bill before voting for it (or against it).  By the way, the argument that we must do something right now, that it cannot even wait a week was utter bullshit the first time the Obama administration used it and it only smells worse now.  I'm really starting to wonder what's left of Obama's agenda (or an America that values the rule of law, invidual liberty, and free markets) for years two, three, and four.</p>
<p>I'd turn your question around though.  Why is the Congressional Leadership so anxious to provide no time for review of the legislation -- even by those who must decide upon it?  Do you think this is good for representative democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yet, though I follow all of the major political blogs, I note that rarely, if ever, are pending rules and regulations discussed or commented.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You follow the wrong blogs.  OMB Watch blog is dedicated to just this issue: http://www.ombwatch.org/the_fine_print

Right now they are about the only place talking about the idiotic war by Senate Republicans against Obama&#039;s pick for OIRA head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yet, though I follow all of the major political blogs, I note that rarely, if ever, are pending rules and regulations discussed or commented.</p></blockquote>
<p>You follow the wrong blogs.  OMB Watch blog is dedicated to just this issue: <a href="http://www.ombwatch.org/the_fine_print" rel="nofollow">http://www.ombwatch.org/the_fine_print</a></p>
<p>Right now they are about the only place talking about the idiotic war by Senate Republicans against Obama's pick for OIRA head.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

As of right now I can:

(a) watch congressional debates on C-Span and
(b) follow the text of legislation on Thomas.

Why is a wating period necessary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>As of right now I can:</p>
<p>(a) watch congressional debates on C-Span and<br />
(b) follow the text of legislation on Thomas.</p>
<p>Why is a wating period necessary?</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/from_the_sounds_pretty_but_wont_happen_dept/comment-page-1/#comment-1103938</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Federal government already has a ton of transparency.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

After the fact, sure, but the point is that we need more insight into the sausage making in the hope of cleaning it up -- think Upton Sinclair, for instance.

I&#039;d also note that the sheer volume of information published by the federal government is not synonymous with transparency.  Whose to say that a &quot;ton&quot; of transparency is the right amount for the &quot;megatons&quot; of dollars being expended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Federal government already has a ton of transparency.</p></blockquote>
<p>After the fact, sure, but the point is that we need more insight into the sausage making in the hope of cleaning it up -- think Upton Sinclair, for instance.</p>
<p>I'd also note that the sheer volume of information published by the federal government is not synonymous with transparency.  Whose to say that a "ton" of transparency is the right amount for the "megatons" of dollars being expended?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, the only advantage I could ever see out of his idea is to at least allow time for legislators to actually read what they&#039;re voting on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wishful thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, the only advantage I could ever see out of his idea is to at least allow time for legislators to actually read what they're voting on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wishful thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s why I’d like to see a waiting period between the final release of legislation and the vote. The public could then go all “Army of Davids” on the legislation, which would enhance transparency, democratic deliberation, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My understanding is that Obama was supposed to do this.  Wait at least several days before signing legislation.  Of course, it has only happened once I think.

So much for promises.  But hey, its boring and nobody reads it...like policy analysts, think tanks, and so forth...nope nobody reads, in some cases not even the politicians voting for this crap.  SWGAF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That&rsquo;s why I&rsquo;d like to see a waiting period between the final release of legislation and the vote. The public could then go all “Army of Davids” on the legislation, which would enhance transparency, democratic deliberation, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>My understanding is that Obama was supposed to do this.  Wait at least several days before signing legislation.  Of course, it has only happened once I think.</p>
<p>So much for promises.  But hey, its boring and nobody reads it...like policy analysts, think tanks, and so forth...nope nobody reads, in some cases not even the politicians voting for this crap.  SWGAF.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the only advantage I could ever see out of his idea is to at least allow time for legislators to actually read what they&#039;re voting on. Such would at least eliminate the &quot;we&#039;ve got to pass something/anything NOW, else God will shoot this puppy&quot; nonsense we&#039;ve seen from the current crop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the only advantage I could ever see out of his idea is to at least allow time for legislators to actually read what they're voting on. Such would at least eliminate the "we've got to pass something/anything NOW, else God will shoot this puppy" nonsense we've seen from the current crop.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;These three things lead me to believe that a waiting period between final versions of legislation and actual voting really won’t make much of a difference in terms of public input into legislation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet most states (all?) require final versions of legislation to be read on three separate days.  Congress used to require all bills to be read, but it dispensed with the requirement for the reason that illiteracy was no longer an issue and the members could read the bills on their own.  I think it&#039;s well past time to re-consider that premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>These three things lead me to believe that a waiting period between final versions of legislation and actual voting really won&rsquo;t make much of a difference in terms of public input into legislation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet most states (all?) require final versions of legislation to be read on three separate days.  Congress used to require all bills to be read, but it dispensed with the requirement for the reason that illiteracy was no longer an issue and the members could read the bills on their own.  I think it's well past time to re-consider that premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to second your point, as you point out the agencies are already required to do this before enacting any laws.  People do comment, but the agencies still do what they want.  I&#039;d argue that we already have a form of this anyway - it&#039;s called &quot;lobbying.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to second your point, as you point out the agencies are already required to do this before enacting any laws.  People do comment, but the agencies still do what they want.  I'd argue that we already have a form of this anyway - it's called "lobbying."</p>
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