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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gasoline_oil_and_natural_gas_prices_surge/comment-page-1/#comment-59434</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One note, while heavy crude sells at a discount, because of the difficulty of refining heavy crude, it doesn&#039;t sell at that huge a discount.  It is itself very high in terms of historical prices.

Summary:

Light sweet crude is expensive because supply is very tight.

Gasoline is expensive because light sweet crude is expensive, and because there aren&#039;t currently enough refineries to handle the heavier grades which are in greater supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One note, while heavy crude sells at a discount, because of the difficulty of refining heavy crude, it doesn't sell at that huge a discount.  It is itself very high in terms of historical prices.</p>
<p>Summary:</p>
<p>Light sweet crude is expensive because supply is very tight.</p>
<p>Gasoline is expensive because light sweet crude is expensive, and because there aren't currently enough refineries to handle the heavier grades which are in greater supply.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding, just from reading the energy blogs and the newspaper articles they point to, is that the Saudis are pumping at full capacity (perhaps to the point of &quot;damaging&quot; their resavoirs, see Matt Simmons), and that the vast majority of our US gas refineries use light crudes.

I did a search on &quot;heavy sour&quot; and &quot;refinery&quot; and hit this:

&quot;Anyone who watches the oil market in any detail knows that the problem is not a shortage of crude oil. Indeed there is oversupply of certain types of crude oil â heavy, sour âand it is being sold at a discount. The problem lies in a shortage of refining capacity, which is owned predominantly by western multi-national and lies mainly in the industrialised countries.&quot;

http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=11864&amp;TagID=1

For what it&#039;s worth, I think our problem is one of &quot;transition&quot; ... we have to transition from the light sweet crude because we can&#039;t find more of it fast enough.

I&#039;m afraid the future will force us to use crappier oils as the good stuff gets used up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding, just from reading the energy blogs and the newspaper articles they point to, is that the Saudis are pumping at full capacity (perhaps to the point of "damaging" their resavoirs, see Matt Simmons), and that the vast majority of our US gas refineries use light crudes.</p>
<p>I did a search on "heavy sour" and "refinery" and hit this:</p>
<p>"Anyone who watches the oil market in any detail knows that the problem is not a shortage of crude oil. Indeed there is oversupply of certain types of crude oil â heavy, sour âand it is being sold at a discount. The problem lies in a shortage of refining capacity, which is owned predominantly by western multi-national and lies mainly in the industrialised countries."</p>
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<p>For what it's worth, I think our problem is one of "transition" ... we have to transition from the light sweet crude because we can't find more of it fast enough.</p>
<p>I'm afraid the future will force us to use crappier oils as the good stuff gets used up.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odo:

I would like you to post a comment about a few things;

Saudis are at full capacity on pumping

How are our refinery&#039;s set up. ie: light or heavy crude.

Remember that approximately 10 % of our oil comes from the Saudis. Some from Iraq, Some from Venezuela, some from Kuwuat as a few other med east countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odo:</p>
<p>I would like you to post a comment about a few things;</p>
<p>Saudis are at full capacity on pumping</p>
<p>How are our refinery's set up. ie: light or heavy crude.</p>
<p>Remember that approximately 10 % of our oil comes from the Saudis. Some from Iraq, Some from Venezuela, some from Kuwuat as a few other med east countries.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main thing I&#039;ve noticed, for the last six months, is assurances from the Saudis that they will raise production, and thus lower crude oil prices.

They have not done that, I think because they are not able.  It is widely documented that existing wells etc. need to run at full blast in order to satisfy the current market.

It seems quite possible to me that there could also be a refinery &quot;shortage&quot; ... but here is the real contra-indicator to that:  If we were short on refinerise, not oil, then oil would be cheap at the same time gas was expensive.

Given that crude oil and gasoline prices have risen together, that seems an excellent proof that this is an oil, and not a refinery, shortage.

There is some cross-over between these concerns though.  Most of our refineries are set up for light sweet crude, and I believe &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; is what is in shortage.  More of the world&#039;s crude suppliers are giving us heavier oils, which call for a different sort (and more expensive?) refinery.

So, it could be that the refinery shortage actually relates to the light sweet crude shortage, and the Saudis want more refineries ready to accept heavy sour oil.

It wouldn&#039;t surprise me if &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; was where your &quot;no takers&quot; comes from ... no takers currently for any more heavy sour crude ... the crappy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main thing I've noticed, for the last six months, is assurances from the Saudis that they will raise production, and thus lower crude oil prices.</p>
<p>They have not done that, I think because they are not able.  It is widely documented that existing wells etc. need to run at full blast in order to satisfy the current market.</p>
<p>It seems quite possible to me that there could also be a refinery "shortage" ... but here is the real contra-indicator to that:  If we were short on refinerise, not oil, then oil would be cheap at the same time gas was expensive.</p>
<p>Given that crude oil and gasoline prices have risen together, that seems an excellent proof that this is an oil, and not a refinery, shortage.</p>
<p>There is some cross-over between these concerns though.  Most of our refineries are set up for light sweet crude, and I believe <b>that</b> is what is in shortage.  More of the world's crude suppliers are giving us heavier oils, which call for a different sort (and more expensive?) refinery.</p>
<p>So, it could be that the refinery shortage actually relates to the light sweet crude shortage, and the Saudis want more refineries ready to accept heavy sour oil.</p>
<p>It wouldn't surprise me if <b>that</b> was where your "no takers" comes from ... no takers currently for any more heavy sour crude ... the crappy stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thought:

I have not heard or seen any denials of the Saudi oil availability from any US oil companies or the US Government.  Have any of you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thought:</p>
<p>I have not heard or seen any denials of the Saudi oil availability from any US oil companies or the US Government.  Have any of you?</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odo:

It&#039;s not that I put so much trust in the Saudi Oil Minister, but lacking any word from the oil companies other than &quot;Excuses&quot; is better than what we are hearing.

Ont thing I learned a long time ago and most likely you also, is,

&quot;MONEY TALKS&quot;  and while I do think that the Saudis are funding and supporting terrorists when it comes to business and making (Or stealing) a buck, the Saudis will be there to take it. 

On top of that Mr. Ray Tillman attended the same oil meeting and if the oil was not available, then he surely would have debunked the Saudi Oil Minister. If the oil were not available, and Tillman did not say a word, then that makes him and Exxon Mobil a part of the untruth. 

I am really shocked that there a lot of people here that uphold and make excuses for the oil companies while they are getting it stuck to them at the gas pumps. Unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odo:</p>
<p>It's not that I put so much trust in the Saudi Oil Minister, but lacking any word from the oil companies other than "Excuses" is better than what we are hearing.</p>
<p>Ont thing I learned a long time ago and most likely you also, is,</p>
<p>"MONEY TALKS"  and while I do think that the Saudis are funding and supporting terrorists when it comes to business and making (Or stealing) a buck, the Saudis will be there to take it. </p>
<p>On top of that Mr. Ray Tillman attended the same oil meeting and if the oil was not available, then he surely would have debunked the Saudi Oil Minister. If the oil were not available, and Tillman did not say a word, then that makes him and Exxon Mobil a part of the untruth. </p>
<p>I am really shocked that there a lot of people here that uphold and make excuses for the oil companies while they are getting it stuck to them at the gas pumps. Unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Eric, we buy refined gasoline, and export it as well.  It is a pretty dynamic market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Eric, we buy refined gasoline, and export it as well.  It is a pretty dynamic market.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, wrong link (although that story above isn&#039;t too bad).

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/business/10nocera.html?ex=1128139200&amp;en=e6ee0ac6e1d87c0c&amp;ei=5070</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, wrong link (although that story above isn't too bad).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/business/10nocera.html?ex=1128139200&amp;en=e6ee0ac6e1d87c0c&amp;ei=5070" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/business/10nocera.html?ex=1128139200&amp;en=e6ee0ac6e1d87c0c&amp;ei=5070</a></p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or why not T. Boone Pickens?  Isn&#039;t he a little more known and trustworthy than this new guy ... al-Naimi?  He&#039;d new at least to me.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/k/king/2005/king091605.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or why not T. Boone Pickens?  Isn't he a little more known and trustworthy than this new guy ... al-Naimi?  He'd new at least to me.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/k/king/2005/king091605.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/k/king/2005/king091605.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: When we buy oil from the Saudis, Canadians, or whomever, are we buying crude oil or refined gasoline ready to go in to cars? That makes all the difference in the world, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: When we buy oil from the Saudis, Canadians, or whomever, are we buying crude oil or refined gasoline ready to go in to cars? That makes all the difference in the world, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is kinda funny that Herb hangs so much belief on one Saudi spokesman.  I mean, even if we stand back and delay judgement, we have to admit that Ali al-Naimi is on one exteme and Matt Simmons is on the other.  There is certainly &quot;uncertainty&quot; in oil supply right now.

I actually think we are near the end of cheap &quot;light sweet crude&quot; ... but there is more of the heavy stuff, and even more of the very-heavy (tar sands, etc.).

The interesting thing to see will be the degree we have to move to heavy and very-heavy sources, how fast we can move, and what the economic/environmental effects of that shift to heavy crudes will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is kinda funny that Herb hangs so much belief on one Saudi spokesman.  I mean, even if we stand back and delay judgement, we have to admit that Ali al-Naimi is on one exteme and Matt Simmons is on the other.  There is certainly "uncertainty" in oil supply right now.</p>
<p>I actually think we are near the end of cheap "light sweet crude" ... but there is more of the heavy stuff, and even more of the very-heavy (tar sands, etc.).</p>
<p>The interesting thing to see will be the degree we have to move to heavy and very-heavy sources, how fast we can move, and what the economic/environmental effects of that shift to heavy crudes will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that no one can provide the answers to my previous questions, so I can only conclude that in the case of the oil companies that,

Supply and Demand applies to increase crude prices when it appears that there is or will be a shortage, But

When there is an abundance or oil available, supply and demand do not apply, and,

Low crude inventories, ( the oil companies are not buying oil) are the reason for crude oil price increases so that inventories can be replenished and supply and demand are no longer a factor for pricing.

Make you wonder just what the next excuse will be for a price increase.

But, don&#039;t worry about it, the oil companies will think of something, you can be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that no one can provide the answers to my previous questions, so I can only conclude that in the case of the oil companies that,</p>
<p>Supply and Demand applies to increase crude prices when it appears that there is or will be a shortage, But</p>
<p>When there is an abundance or oil available, supply and demand do not apply, and,</p>
<p>Low crude inventories, ( the oil companies are not buying oil) are the reason for crude oil price increases so that inventories can be replenished and supply and demand are no longer a factor for pricing.</p>
<p>Make you wonder just what the next excuse will be for a price increase.</p>
<p>But, don't worry about it, the oil companies will think of something, you can be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice blog.I like this site.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yahoo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nick&lt;/a&gt;
http://www.yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice blog.I like this site.<br />
<a href="http://www.yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">Nick</a><br />
<a href="http://www.yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That figures</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That figures</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh I believe EVERYTHING the Saudi&#039;s say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh I believe EVERYTHING the Saudi's say...</p>
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