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	<title>Comments on: Gay YouTube General a Hillary Plant &#8211; So What?</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gay_youtube_general_a_hillary_plant_-_so_what/comment-page-2/#comment-244251</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/30/rice-plants/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This just in &lt;/a&gt;, by the way, on the subject of &quot;planted questioners&quot;, from Wash. Post reporter Glenn Kessler on Condoleeza Rice&#039;s willingness to do it in order to try and re-burnish her reputation after the Iraq fiasco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/30/rice-plants/" rel="nofollow">This just in </a>, by the way, on the subject of "planted questioners", from Wash. Post reporter Glenn Kessler on Condoleeza Rice's willingness to do it in order to try and re-burnish her reputation after the Iraq fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gay_youtube_general_a_hillary_plant_-_so_what/comment-page-2/#comment-244209</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Fox News being &quot;a mainstream news organization&quot;: please.  It&#039;s managed by Roger Ailes, whose real status we&#039;ve known about ever since Joe McGinniss introduced him to us as Richard Nixon&#039;s awesomely cynical ad manager back in &quot;The Selling of the President 1968&quot;. If there was possibly a way he could arrange for this debate to be an ambush of the Democratic caandidates, he would have done it -- and in any case there was no point in the Dems providing free prestige to a &quot;news outfit&quot; explicitly developed by Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and Newt Gingrich as a GOP propaganda organ during discussions back in 1996. It would have been like the GOP candidates agreeing to appear at a debate managed by Rahm Emanuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Fox News being "a mainstream news organization": please.  It's managed by Roger Ailes, whose real status we've known about ever since Joe McGinniss introduced him to us as Richard Nixon's awesomely cynical ad manager back in "The Selling of the President 1968". If there was possibly a way he could arrange for this debate to be an ambush of the Democratic caandidates, he would have done it -- and in any case there was no point in the Dems providing free prestige to a "news outfit" explicitly developed by Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and Newt Gingrich as a GOP propaganda organ during discussions back in 1996. It would have been like the GOP candidates agreeing to appear at a debate managed by Rahm Emanuel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gay_youtube_general_a_hillary_plant_-_so_what/comment-page-2/#comment-244205</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, people.  CNN didn&#039;t vet the questioners at the democratic YouTube debate to filter out Republican questioners, either -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youtube30nov30,1,6572347.story?ctrack=3&amp;cset=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;as the LA Times confirms:&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;A review by the Los Angeles Times of the debate sponsored by CNN and YouTube four months ago found that the Democratic presidential candidates also faced queries that seemed to come from the conservative perspective. At least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings...

&quot;CNN&#039;s [Sam] Feist said conservative commentators did not complain when questioners who shared their political ideology had videos aired during the Democratic forum in July.

&quot;During that session, one video questioner asked the candidates to choose between raising taxes or cutting benefits in order to save Social Security. Another demanded to know whether taxes would rise &#039;like usually they do when a Democrat comes in office.&#039; A third featured a gun-toting Michigan man, who in an interview Thursday said he had voted twice for President Bush, who wanted to know if the Democrats would protect his &#039;baby&#039; -- an assault rifle he cradled in his arms.

&quot;Another questioner from that forum who seemed to have clear conservative credentials was John McAlpin, a sailor who asked Clinton: &#039;How do you think you would be taken seriously&#039; by Arab and Muslim nations that treat women as &#039;second-class citizens&#039;?

&quot;McAlpin&#039;s MySpace page features pictures of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York mayor and Republican presidential candidate.

&quot;It depicts Fox commentator Bill O&#039;Reilly as a friend, while offering a caricature of a bearded, turban-wearing &#039;Borat Hussein Obama&#039; -- a derogatory reference to Obama, the Democratic candidate who as a youth attended a Muslim school.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, people.  CNN didn't vet the questioners at the democratic YouTube debate to filter out Republican questioners, either -- <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youtube30nov30,1,6572347.story?ctrack=3&amp;cset=true" rel="nofollow">as the LA Times confirms:</a></p>
<p>"A review by the Los Angeles Times of the debate sponsored by CNN and YouTube four months ago found that the Democratic presidential candidates also faced queries that seemed to come from the conservative perspective. At least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings...</p>
<p>"CNN's [Sam] Feist said conservative commentators did not complain when questioners who shared their political ideology had videos aired during the Democratic forum in July.</p>
<p>"During that session, one video questioner asked the candidates to choose between raising taxes or cutting benefits in order to save Social Security. Another demanded to know whether taxes would rise 'like usually they do when a Democrat comes in office.' A third featured a gun-toting Michigan man, who in an interview Thursday said he had voted twice for President Bush, who wanted to know if the Democrats would protect his 'baby' -- an assault rifle he cradled in his arms.</p>
<p>"Another questioner from that forum who seemed to have clear conservative credentials was John McAlpin, a sailor who asked Clinton: 'How do you think you would be taken seriously' by Arab and Muslim nations that treat women as 'second-class citizens'?</p>
<p>"McAlpin's MySpace page features pictures of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York mayor and Republican presidential candidate.</p>
<p>"It depicts Fox commentator Bill O'Reilly as a friend, while offering a caricature of a bearded, turban-wearing 'Borat Hussein Obama' -- a derogatory reference to Obama, the Democratic candidate who as a youth attended a Muslim school."<br />
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<p>This isn't a tempest in a teapot.  It's a tempest in a thimble.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grewgills,

What does redstate have to do with actual presidential candidates?  Dems candidates said NO to FOX.  These are people who want to lead the country and they said no to a mainsteam news organization.  

Republicans are grown-ups.  Democrats are wacko!  Too bad the dems are so good at swaying the masses so many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grewgills,</p>
<p>What does redstate have to do with actual presidential candidates?  Dems candidates said NO to FOX.  These are people who want to lead the country and they said no to a mainsteam news organization.  </p>
<p>Republicans are grown-ups.  Democrats are wacko!  Too bad the dems are so good at swaying the masses so many times.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gay_youtube_general_a_hillary_plant_-_so_what/comment-page-2/#comment-243328</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing that ANYONE could think that these Media Circuses from either side could somehow be construed as DEBATES![lol] The questions have the character of the &quot;commands&quot; at a pet training academy,soliciting an expected response.

Hey, maybe literally having them jump through their trainer&#039;s hoops, sitting up, begging, and playing dead, would be more entertaining, AND more appropriate for the circus atmosphere![lol]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing that ANYONE could think that these Media Circuses from either side could somehow be construed as DEBATES![lol] The questions have the character of the "commands" at a pet training academy,soliciting an expected response.</p>
<p>Hey, maybe literally having them jump through their trainer's hoops, sitting up, begging, and playing dead, would be more entertaining, AND more appropriate for the circus atmosphere![lol]</p>
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		<title>By: Splitting Image</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gay_youtube_general_a_hillary_plant_-_so_what/comment-page-2/#comment-243271</link>
		<dc:creator>Splitting Image</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any problem with the question, or with the questioner being in attendance. It was advertised as a YouTube debate, and YouTube is not owned by the Republican party, as far as I know. They should have been aware that some questions would have come from Democrats or independents and the candidates should have been able to answer them.

I also have no problem with limiting an event like that to Republicans only (or Democrats only, as the case may be). There are people who can vote in primaries who would not be able to vote in caucuses and nobody blinks at that, so I don&#039;t see a problem with having some debates that are party-only and others that are open to all. Candidates need to do well in both arenas anyway.

The only problem with what happened the other night is that CNN didn&#039;t seem to know whether what happened was against the rules or not, and that is a bad thing no matter how you look at it. You can&#039;t moderate a debate unless you know what is supposed to be going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't see any problem with the question, or with the questioner being in attendance. It was advertised as a YouTube debate, and YouTube is not owned by the Republican party, as far as I know. They should have been aware that some questions would have come from Democrats or independents and the candidates should have been able to answer them.</p>
<p>I also have no problem with limiting an event like that to Republicans only (or Democrats only, as the case may be). There are people who can vote in primaries who would not be able to vote in caucuses and nobody blinks at that, so I don't see a problem with having some debates that are party-only and others that are open to all. Candidates need to do well in both arenas anyway.</p>
<p>The only problem with what happened the other night is that CNN didn't seem to know whether what happened was against the rules or not, and that is a bad thing no matter how you look at it. You can't moderate a debate unless you know what is supposed to be going on.</p>
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		<title>By: いま話題の検索語とは？</title>
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		<dc:creator>いま話題の検索語とは？</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;YouTube...&lt;/strong&gt;

YouTube プロフィール検索 動画検索 画像検索...</description>
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<p>YouTube プロフィール検索 動画検索 画像検索...</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gay_youtube_general_a_hillary_plant_-_so_what/comment-page-2/#comment-243172</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why was anyone, let alone this general, allowed to ask a question from the audience, and then given a platform when he didn&#039;t like the answers he was given?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Where you similarly outraged when they did the same at the Dem debate?
&lt;blockquote&gt;For those who think it is ok to have plants from the opposition in the audience asking questions. Answer this one. What would happen if the GOP sent infiltrates to a Dem. debate?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Apparently not much.  Take a look at the questions asked at the Dem YouTube debate.  They looked for the &quot;gotcha&quot; questions for both debates.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you expect any gay relatives to have offspring?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Should infertile couples be denied marriage rights?

Chris,
If we are going to talk about who is crying like babies, you should look over at RedState.  They (almost all contributors have signed on) are actually calling for a do-over.  I think the last time I heard that I was on a grade school playground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why was anyone, let alone this general, allowed to ask a question from the audience, and then given a platform when he didn't like the answers he was given?</p></blockquote>
<p>Where you similarly outraged when they did the same at the Dem debate?</p>
<blockquote><p>For those who think it is ok to have plants from the opposition in the audience asking questions. Answer this one. What would happen if the GOP sent infiltrates to a Dem. debate?</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently not much.  Take a look at the questions asked at the Dem YouTube debate.  They looked for the "gotcha" questions for both debates.</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you expect any gay relatives to have offspring?</p></blockquote>
<p>Should infertile couples be denied marriage rights?</p>
<p>Chris,<br />
If we are going to talk about who is crying like babies, you should look over at RedState.  They (almost all contributors have signed on) are actually calling for a do-over.  I think the last time I heard that I was on a grade school playground.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Adkins &#187; The Early Friday Morning Open Trackback and Open Thread Post&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Pink Flamingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pink Flamingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>VALUES VOTER (or)POWER HUNGRY MANIPULATORS?Tony Blankley has a Townhall column today about Values Voters, etc. “…Faith and tradition ......</p>
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		<title>By: Right Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark My Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark My Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Unfinished business and global warming...</strong></p>
<p>It's taken me some time to respond to a particular blogger who had something to say about one of my posts. Considering the lack of substance, let alone his missing the point of my article, I really wasn't sure a reply was worth the effort......</p>
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There&#039;s a minor controversy from the latest CNN/YouTube debate, stemming from a question posed by retired Brig. General Keith Kerr. Kerr, who came out as gay after leaving the US Armed Forces, pointedly asked the Republican candidates about the milit....</description>
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		<title>By: Mark My Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark My Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>A recent advancement in stem cell research may eventually avoid the moral controversy and also provide a more efficient method than cloning human embryos. This has prompted a pioneer in cloning, Prof Ian Wilmut, to turn away from that......</p>
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		<title>By: Mark My Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark My Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I&#039;m an undecided voter...&lt;/strong&gt;

According to CNN I&#039;m undecided enough to ask questions of the candidates in a Democrat primary. Those who know me or read my blog are probably well aware of......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I'm an undecided voter...</strong></p>
<p>According to CNN I'm undecided enough to ask questions of the candidates in a Democrat primary. Those who know me or read my blog are probably well aware of......</p>
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