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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36951</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD writes &quot;Why should my tax dollars fund a special conference for âspecial peopleâ, only to have them get pissed off.&quot;

GLBT people pay taxes, too. And probably more than their fair share, considering most of them don&#039;t get to take advantage of tax breaks for having children, etc.

Why should their taxes pay for a slap in the face from some political hack in government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD writes "Why should my tax dollars fund a special conference for âspecial peopleâ, only to have them get pissed off."</p>
<p>GLBT people pay taxes, too. And probably more than their fair share, considering most of them don't get to take advantage of tax breaks for having children, etc.</p>
<p>Why should their taxes pay for a slap in the face from some political hack in government?</p>
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		<title>By: Bostongemini</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36928</link>
		<dc:creator>Bostongemini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they should eliminate the subject of the conference from the title.  That makes sense, especially when you have the added bonus of telling those deemed unmentionable that they can&#039;t be mentioned.  What are they gonna do, kill themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they should eliminate the subject of the conference from the title.  That makes sense, especially when you have the added bonus of telling those deemed unmentionable that they can't be mentioned.  What are they gonna do, kill themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Mithras</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36891</link>
		<dc:creator>Mithras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Joyner-
&lt;i&gt;âTransgenderâ is a wholy different issue but they seem to want to be included in all such discussions nowadays. ... And, dammit, what about transvestites? Why the hell donât they get a mention?&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, yuck it up.  Then buy a dictionary.

The term &quot;transgender&quot; includes transsexuals and transvestites.  Transvestites are people who wear the clothing of the opposite sex.  Transsexuals are people who have, or had before surgery or other therapy, a sexual identity wholly or partially at odds with their sexual characteristics.  

Transsexual people are particularly at risk for violence and suicide because they tend to suffer from societal ignorance (consult a mirror on this) or worse, familial rejection/disapproval, and legal invisibility (except in those jurisdictions which grant some small measure of nondiscrimination protection).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Joyner-<br />
<i>âTransgenderâ is a wholy different issue but they seem to want to be included in all such discussions nowadays. ... And, dammit, what about transvestites? Why the hell donât they get a mention?</i></p>
<p>Yeah, yuck it up.  Then buy a dictionary.</p>
<p>The term "transgender" includes transsexuals and transvestites.  Transvestites are people who wear the clothing of the opposite sex.  Transsexuals are people who have, or had before surgery or other therapy, a sexual identity wholly or partially at odds with their sexual characteristics.  </p>
<p>Transsexual people are particularly at risk for violence and suicide because they tend to suffer from societal ignorance (consult a mirror on this) or worse, familial rejection/disapproval, and legal invisibility (except in those jurisdictions which grant some small measure of nondiscrimination protection).</p>
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		<title>By: Unqualified Offerings</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36886</link>
		<dc:creator>Unqualified Offerings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;To Coin a Phrase&lt;/strong&gt;
To Coin a Phrase - Back when I was a kid there was a popular bumper sticker that read YOUR...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>To Coin a Phrase</strong><br />
To Coin a Phrase - Back when I was a kid there was a popular bumper sticker that read YOUR...</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36852</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downtown Lad evidently isn&#039;t friends with the same gays I am, because they would get a kick out of &quot;deviants&quot; becoming their mainstream label.  

Of course, they may have readier access to a dictionary than D.L. has.  In 2005, what Cosmo-reading American wants his or her sexual behavior to hover about &quot;the norm&quot;?  Lighten up, D.L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downtown Lad evidently isn't friends with the same gays I am, because they would get a kick out of "deviants" becoming their mainstream label.  </p>
<p>Of course, they may have readier access to a dictionary than D.L. has.  In 2005, what Cosmo-reading American wants his or her sexual behavior to hover about "the norm"?  Lighten up, D.L.</p>
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		<title>By: Downtown Lad</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36772</link>
		<dc:creator>Downtown Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They just changed it because the name was too long?

Yeah right - Are you stupid or just a liar?

The Bush administration has an unofficial policy to never use the word gay or lesbian.  Why?  Because they don&#039;t believe that gay people exist.  They think gays are really just sick heterosexuals waiting to be cured.

Bush has never used the word gay or lesbian ONCE in a speech since he&#039;s been President.  That&#039;s pretty amazing considering the fact that one of his primary goals is to make gays second class citizens in this country.

Of course this guy is a Nazi.  His goal is to have less people attend the conference since they&#039;ll have no idea what it is about, and thus we&#039;ll continue to have higher suicide rates in this country amongst gay people.  The reason we have higher suicide rates amongst gays is because people like the commenters on this board are abusive towards gay people (by calling them &quot;deviants&quot; for example).

And yes words hurt.  So does bullying against gay people.  The word &quot;fag&quot; is the most common slur in high schools today.  And this teasing and bullying results in a suicide rate that is three times higher.

The commenters on this board, along with the Bush administration not only prefer to keep that suicide rate high, but they participate in abusive actions that actually make the rate higher.  They think the less gay people we have the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They just changed it because the name was too long?</p>
<p>Yeah right - Are you stupid or just a liar?</p>
<p>The Bush administration has an unofficial policy to never use the word gay or lesbian.  Why?  Because they don't believe that gay people exist.  They think gays are really just sick heterosexuals waiting to be cured.</p>
<p>Bush has never used the word gay or lesbian ONCE in a speech since he's been President.  That's pretty amazing considering the fact that one of his primary goals is to make gays second class citizens in this country.</p>
<p>Of course this guy is a Nazi.  His goal is to have less people attend the conference since they'll have no idea what it is about, and thus we'll continue to have higher suicide rates in this country amongst gay people.  The reason we have higher suicide rates amongst gays is because people like the commenters on this board are abusive towards gay people (by calling them "deviants" for example).</p>
<p>And yes words hurt.  So does bullying against gay people.  The word "fag" is the most common slur in high schools today.  And this teasing and bullying results in a suicide rate that is three times higher.</p>
<p>The commenters on this board, along with the Bush administration not only prefer to keep that suicide rate high, but they participate in abusive actions that actually make the rate higher.  They think the less gay people we have the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD:

So, I guess you don&#039;t agree that government money should go to grants that allow researchers to study why minority women seem to be at a larger risk of breast cancer. 

Or, to study why African American males die earlier than whites.

Or, pretty much any population that is more at risk for a disease or condition that&#039;s not as prevalent in the population as a whole.

Or is it just the gays, LJD? I suspect it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD:</p>
<p>So, I guess you don't agree that government money should go to grants that allow researchers to study why minority women seem to be at a larger risk of breast cancer. </p>
<p>Or, to study why African American males die earlier than whites.</p>
<p>Or, pretty much any population that is more at risk for a disease or condition that's not as prevalent in the population as a whole.</p>
<p>Or is it just the gays, LJD? I suspect it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Orbit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36699</link>
		<dc:creator>Gay Orbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Idiotic Post For Today&lt;/strong&gt;
Here it is. It&#039;s by by Robert Tagorda over at Outside the Beltway, who thinks, apparently, that the reason the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) asked for the words &quot;Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender Individuals&quot; to b...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Idiotic Post For Today</strong><br />
Here it is. It's by by Robert Tagorda over at Outside the Beltway, who thinks, apparently, that the reason the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) asked for the words "Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender Individuals" to b...</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want to have a publicly funded conference on suicide prevention in general, fine.  

Why should my tax dollars fund a special conference for &quot;special people&quot;, only to have them get pissed off.  Alternative: no conference- avoid killing yourselves by the same means every one else does.

Tired of squeaky wheel reactionary politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to have a publicly funded conference on suicide prevention in general, fine.  </p>
<p>Why should my tax dollars fund a special conference for "special people", only to have them get pissed off.  Alternative: no conference- avoid killing yourselves by the same means every one else does.</p>
<p>Tired of squeaky wheel reactionary politics.</p>
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		<title>By: denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible the reason was as simple as the title was too long and cumbersome.  Who knows.  Can&#039;t tell from the article why it was really done.

If the lecture is titled &quot;Suicide and Sexual Orientation&quot; (or Orientation/Identity), I think most people will know what that means, and it&#039;s easier to work with logistically.

Everyone has a race, but if a lecture is titled &quot;Racial Discrimtionation in the Workplace,&quot; most people aren&#039;t going to assume that it&#039;s about discrimination against whites.  So I don&#039;t think much of the &quot;everyone has a sexual orientation&quot; argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's possible the reason was as simple as the title was too long and cumbersome.  Who knows.  Can't tell from the article why it was really done.</p>
<p>If the lecture is titled "Suicide and Sexual Orientation" (or Orientation/Identity), I think most people will know what that means, and it's easier to work with logistically.</p>
<p>Everyone has a race, but if a lecture is titled "Racial Discrimtionation in the Workplace," most people aren't going to assume that it's about discrimination against whites.  So I don't think much of the "everyone has a sexual orientation" argument.</p>
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		<title>By: kappiy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36665</link>
		<dc:creator>kappiy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The purpose of this conference seems to be to get regional practioners to exchange information on the best ways to address suicide prevention strategies.    Why some &quot;activist bureaucrats&quot; in DC are spending time censoring panel titles is utterly incomprehensible.

I would trust the knowledge and expertise of panel organizers to develop proper ways of describing public health problems much more than activist bureaucrats like Curie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of this conference seems to be to get regional practioners to exchange information on the best ways to address suicide prevention strategies.    Why some "activist bureaucrats" in DC are spending time censoring panel titles is utterly incomprehensible.</p>
<p>I would trust the knowledge and expertise of panel organizers to develop proper ways of describing public health problems much more than activist bureaucrats like Curie.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36661</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to rehabilitate &quot;deviants&quot; and embrace the label proudly?  I mean, what&#039;s so wrong with deviating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to rehabilitate "deviants" and embrace the label proudly?  I mean, what's so wrong with deviating?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, the original title was a mouthful.  That&#039;s the problem with trying to include everyone.  &quot;Homosexuals&quot; seems to cover the idea of &quot;gays and lesbians&quot; but then bisexuals feel left out.  &quot;Transgender&quot; is a wholy different issue but they seem to want to be included in all such discussions nowadays. 

And, dammit, what about transvestites?  Why the hell don&#039;t they get a mention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, the original title was a mouthful.  That's the problem with trying to include everyone.  "Homosexuals" seems to cover the idea of "gays and lesbians" but then bisexuals feel left out.  "Transgender" is a wholy different issue but they seem to want to be included in all such discussions nowadays. </p>
<p>And, dammit, what about transvestites?  Why the hell don't they get a mention?</p>
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		<title>By: Jammer</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/gaylesbianbisexualtransgender_individuals/comment-page-1/#comment-36653</link>
		<dc:creator>Jammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one hand, I&#039;m sure that &quot;sexual orientation&quot; would do fine as a descriptor, but you really do have to wonder why the heck some bureacrat cares about the other four words, and I have to confess I don&#039;t think the reasons are likely to be ones I at least think are good ones.

Does the article say why the change was made?  I don&#039;t have the time to deal with WaPo registration this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, I'm sure that "sexual orientation" would do fine as a descriptor, but you really do have to wonder why the heck some bureacrat cares about the other four words, and I have to confess I don't think the reasons are likely to be ones I at least think are good ones.</p>
<p>Does the article say why the change was made?  I don't have the time to deal with WaPo registration this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Henley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Henley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Robert. Have any opinions on the actual bureaucratic decision here? Or just on what you see as the overreaction to it, which is all you favor us with in the item?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Robert. Have any opinions on the actual bureaucratic decision here? Or just on what you see as the overreaction to it, which is all you favor us with in the item?</p>
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