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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/georgia_crisis_who_started_it/comment-page-1/#comment-509251</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recurring theme of Foust&#039;s is that nobody knows as much as him, which is why I quit reading his blog.  Totten&#039;s there, doing reporting, while Foust is dissing him, as he disses practically everyone else who&#039;s not Joshua Foust.  Get on a plane, Josh, or shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recurring theme of Foust's is that nobody knows as much as him, which is why I quit reading his blog.  Totten's there, doing reporting, while Foust is dissing him, as he disses practically everyone else who's not Joshua Foust.  Get on a plane, Josh, or shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/georgia_crisis_who_started_it/comment-page-1/#comment-509243</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How does it threaten our interests?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To many rambling posts with incessant references to &quot;The Bear&quot; could rob us of the will to live...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How does it threaten our interests?</p></blockquote>
<p>To many rambling posts with incessant references to "The Bear" could rob us of the will to live...</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/georgia_crisis_who_started_it/comment-page-1/#comment-509218</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, Russian Imperialism threatens peace in Europe. I think you could make the argument that a peaceful Europe is in the best interests of the US, and depending on where Russia might want to carry its Imperialism in the future, it could drag us into a conflict that involves NATO for real.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lotsa &quot;could&quot; in there. Do you have any specifics re Europe proper? If not, this isn&#039;t any advance on Beldar&#039;s bald assertion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, Russian Imperialism threatens peace in Europe. I think you could make the argument that a peaceful Europe is in the best interests of the US, and depending on where Russia might want to carry its Imperialism in the future, it could drag us into a conflict that involves NATO for real.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lotsa "could" in there. Do you have any specifics re Europe proper? If not, this isn't any advance on Beldar's bald assertion.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How does it threaten our interests?&lt;/i&gt;

Um Georgia has a pretty good oil reserve and pipeline.  Georgia is a much friendlier friend than a lot of the other countries with oil.  It is in our interest to keep them friendly.

Also, Russian Imperialism threatens peace in Europe.  I think you could make the argument that a peaceful Europe is in the best interests of the US, and depending on where Russia might want to carry its Imperialism in the future, it could drag us into a conflict that involves NATO for real.

Blame assignment in this conflict is probably in the end a futile task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How does it threaten our interests?</i></p>
<p>Um Georgia has a pretty good oil reserve and pipeline.  Georgia is a much friendlier friend than a lot of the other countries with oil.  It is in our interest to keep them friendly.</p>
<p>Also, Russian Imperialism threatens peace in Europe.  I think you could make the argument that a peaceful Europe is in the best interests of the US, and depending on where Russia might want to carry its Imperialism in the future, it could drag us into a conflict that involves NATO for real.</p>
<p>Blame assignment in this conflict is probably in the end a futile task.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the dim mists of ancient history.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When McCain was in High School?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the dim mists of ancient history.</p></blockquote>
<p>When McCain was in High School?</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What Russia is doing is evil and wicked and brutal, and it threatens not only innocents abroad, but American interests.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How does it threaten our interests?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What Russia is doing is evil and wicked and brutal, and it threatens not only innocents abroad, but American interests.
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<p>How does it threaten our interests?</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reject and resent the implication, from Foust (sure that&#039;s not &quot;Faust&quot;?) or anyone else, that only &quot;experts&quot; can draw meaningful opinions about this conflict. Yes, it has a complicated and long history. &lt;i&gt;So does everything else&lt;/i&gt;. 

We can debate for hours and days and months and years and decades about the justifications for the southern states&#039; succession from the Union, but one need not undertake that full exercise to conclude, &lt;i&gt;correctly&lt;/i&gt;, that slavery was evil and the South was wrong to try to preserve it.

Wishy-washy relativism -- John Kerry &quot;global test&quot; relativism, Barack Obama &quot;citizen of the world&quot; relativism -- is the exact camouflage the Russian Bear craves. What Russia is doing is &lt;i&gt;evil and wicked and brutal&lt;/i&gt;, and it threatens not only innocents abroad, but American interests.

Reagan understood this. I think McCain, for all his many other flaws, does too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reject and resent the implication, from Foust (sure that's not "Faust"?) or anyone else, that only "experts" can draw meaningful opinions about this conflict. Yes, it has a complicated and long history. <i>So does everything else</i>. </p>
<p>We can debate for hours and days and months and years and decades about the justifications for the southern states' succession from the Union, but one need not undertake that full exercise to conclude, <i>correctly</i>, that slavery was evil and the South was wrong to try to preserve it.</p>
<p>Wishy-washy relativism -- John Kerry "global test" relativism, Barack Obama "citizen of the world" relativism -- is the exact camouflage the Russian Bear craves. What Russia is doing is <i>evil and wicked and brutal</i>, and it threatens not only innocents abroad, but American interests.</p>
<p>Reagan understood this. I think McCain, for all his many other flaws, does too.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems a little misleading to quote the first paragraphs of the long article that speak of the fuse for the current crisis being ignited the day before conventional wisdom has dictated and then saying this anaylsis is good as far as it goes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But Charles, on the &quot;who lit the fuse question,&quot; Totten writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“The fuse was not just lit in Moscow,” [Worms] said. “It was also lit in Tbilisi. There was a guy in charge here, Zviad Gamsakhurdia, a little bit like [Serbian Nationalist war criminal in Bosnia Radovan] Karadzic. He was a poet. He was an intellectual. But he was one of these guys who veered off into ethnic exclusivism. He made stupid declarations like Georgia is only for the Georgians.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then, there&#039;s this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Now fast forward to the Rose Revolution,” he said.

The Rose Revolution was a popular bloodless revolution that brought Georgia&#039;s current president Mikheil Saakashvili to power and replaced the old man of Georgian politics Eduard Shevardnadze who basically ran the country Soviet-style. 

“The first thing that Misha [Mikheil Saakashvili] did was try to poke his finger in [Russian President Vladimir] Putin&#039;s eyes as many times as possible,” Worms said, “most notably by wanting to join NATO. ...”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think on balance, Totten&#039;s article is supportive of James&#039;s caveat:

&lt;blockquote&gt;... There’s been plenty of action and reaction going on for generations [on both sides that makes it difficult &lt;i&gt;ed.&lt;/i&gt;] to pin the responsibility on any one person or event.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It seems a little misleading to quote the first paragraphs of the long article that speak of the fuse for the current crisis being ignited the day before conventional wisdom has dictated and then saying this anaylsis is good as far as it goes.</p></blockquote>
<p>But Charles, on the "who lit the fuse question," Totten writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The fuse was not just lit in Moscow,” [Worms] said. “It was also lit in Tbilisi. There was a guy in charge here, Zviad Gamsakhurdia, a little bit like [Serbian Nationalist war criminal in Bosnia Radovan] Karadzic. He was a poet. He was an intellectual. But he was one of these guys who veered off into ethnic exclusivism. He made stupid declarations like Georgia is only for the Georgians.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then, there's this:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Now fast forward to the Rose Revolution,” he said.</p>
<p>The Rose Revolution was a popular bloodless revolution that brought Georgia's current president Mikheil Saakashvili to power and replaced the old man of Georgian politics Eduard Shevardnadze who basically ran the country Soviet-style. </p>
<p>“The first thing that Misha [Mikheil Saakashvili] did was try to poke his finger in [Russian President Vladimir] Putin's eyes as many times as possible,” Worms said, “most notably by wanting to join NATO. ...”</p></blockquote>
<p>I think on balance, Totten's article is supportive of James's caveat:</p>
<blockquote><p>... There&rsquo;s been plenty of action and reaction going on for generations [on both sides that makes it difficult <i>ed.</i>] to pin the responsibility on any one person or event.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Mr. Totten was quite clear about the underlying origins of this crisis originating in policies the Kremlin has been advocating and directing since the early 1990&#039;s. And, of course, the historical enmity goes back into the dim mists of ancient history.

It seems a little misleading to quote the first paragraphs of the long article that speak of the fuse for the current crisis being ignited the day before conventional wisdom has dictated and then saying this anaylsis is good as far as it goes.  Mr. Totten&#039;s article goes into much, much greater depth than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Mr. Totten was quite clear about the underlying origins of this crisis originating in policies the Kremlin has been advocating and directing since the early 1990's. And, of course, the historical enmity goes back into the dim mists of ancient history.</p>
<p>It seems a little misleading to quote the first paragraphs of the long article that speak of the fuse for the current crisis being ignited the day before conventional wisdom has dictated and then saying this anaylsis is good as far as it goes.  Mr. Totten's article goes into much, much greater depth than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Georgia Crisis: Who Started It?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Urban Meyer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Georgia Crisis: Who Started It?</p></blockquote>
<p>Urban Meyer</p>
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