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		<title>By: Mudville Gazette - Mobile News Page</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_blew_off_iraq_panel_for_speaking_fees/comment-page-1/#comment-135095</link>
		<dc:creator>Mudville Gazette - Mobile News Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Giuliani Blew Off Iraq Panel for Speaking Fees -- [Outside the Beltway] By popular demand, I herewith comment on the story Newsday that broke yesterday that Rudy Giuliani missed two meetings of the Iraq Study Group because of fundraising trips and then quit the panel when told the alternative was to show up. Frankly, faced with a choice between $1.7 million and participating in a group with a bunch of other people who aren’t experts to present advice to the president he isn’t going to take anyway, I’d take the $1.7 million every time. (In full disclosure, I must confess that neither alternative has been offered.) [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Giuliani Blew Off Iraq Panel for Speaking Fees -- [Outside the Beltway] By popular demand, I herewith comment on the story Newsday that broke yesterday that Rudy Giuliani missed two meetings of the Iraq Study Group because of fundraising trips and then quit the panel when told the alternative was to show up. Frankly, faced with a choice between $1.7 million and participating in a group with a bunch of other people who aren&rsquo;t experts to present advice to the president he isn&rsquo;t going to take anyway, I&rsquo;d take the $1.7 million every time. (In full disclosure, I must confess that neither alternative has been offered.) [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZR says all Democrats are liars, and *I&#039;m* the one with the ad hominem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZR says all Democrats are liars, and *I'm* the one with the ad hominem?</p>
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		<title>By: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_blew_off_iraq_panel_for_speaking_fees/comment-page-1/#comment-134437</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good ad hominem - someone has a different opinion so there&#039;s something wrong with them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good ad hominem - someone has a different opinion so there's something wrong with them</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_blew_off_iraq_panel_for_speaking_fees/comment-page-1/#comment-134434</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Anytime there is a democrat on any panel, one must question the veracity of that panel. &lt;/em&gt;

What is wrong with you people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Anytime there is a democrat on any panel, one must question the veracity of that panel. </em></p>
<p>What is wrong with you people?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_blew_off_iraq_panel_for_speaking_fees/comment-page-1/#comment-134419</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is that a record?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, on most blogs this usually happens in the first 1-2 comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is that a record?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, on most blogs this usually happens in the first 1-2 comments.</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A whole six comments before someone blamed Clinton. Is that a record?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A whole six comments before someone blamed Clinton. Is that a record?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Clinton got paid for a speech on the anniversary of 9/11!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Clinton got paid for a speech on the anniversary of 9/11!</p>
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		<title>By: RealClearPolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealClearPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] The Politico / media@politico.com (Ben Smith)  Barack Obama Wins Politico.com Straw Poll Booman Tribune ~ A Progressive Community: Just as happened last year, Hillary Clinton was lustily booed at the Take America Back conference to... Matthew Yglesias / proudly eponymous since 2002: For eons, liberals have dreamed of a straw poll whose meaninglessness could equal that achieved by t... Real Clear Politics - News - Mid Term Elections - Elections 2008 - Opinion - Commentary - TIME: Barack Obama has won the straw poll conducted at the uber-liberal Take Back America conference in Wa... MyDD :: Direct Democracy for People-Powered Politics: The GQR poll results are going to be announced shortly from the Straw Poll taken at the TBA conferen... Washington Monthly Giuliani Followup Outside The Beltway &#124; OTB: By popular demand, I herewith comment on the story Newsday that broke yesterday that Rudy Giuliani m... Matthew Yglesias / proudly eponymous since 2002: I didn&#039;t blog yesterday about Rudy Giuliani skipping out on the invitation to join the Iraq Study Gr... &#187; Outside The Beltway &#124; OTB: By popular demand, I herewith comment on the story Newsday that broke yesterday that Rudy Giuliani m... The Carpetbagger Report: Yesterday, Newsday broke a huge story that everyone else had missed: Rudy Giuliani was on the Iraq S... Andrew Sullivan The Ticking Time Bomb Say Anything - North Dakota&#039;s Most Popular Political Blog: Is The “Ticking Time Bomb” Scenario Absurd?... digg: The conservative jurist stuck up for Agent Bauer, arguing that fictional or not, federal agents requ... Washington Post / DEB RIECHMANN   Bush Vetoes Bill Easing Stem Cell Limits Chuck Currie: President Bush vetoed hope for millions of sick Americans today when he once again vetoed bi-partisa... Daily Kos: State of the Nation: Breaking out his veto pen for only the third time in six years, George Bush once again chose to spit...  More BuzzTracker [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] The Politico / <a href="mailto:media@politico.com">media@politico.com</a> (Ben Smith)  Barack Obama Wins Politico.com Straw Poll Booman Tribune ~ A Progressive Community: Just as happened last year, Hillary Clinton was lustily booed at the Take America Back conference to... Matthew Yglesias / proudly eponymous since 2002: For eons, liberals have dreamed of a straw poll whose meaninglessness could equal that achieved by t... Real Clear Politics - News - Mid Term Elections - Elections 2008 - Opinion - Commentary - TIME: Barack Obama has won the straw poll conducted at the uber-liberal Take Back America conference in Wa... MyDD :: Direct Democracy for People-Powered Politics: The GQR poll results are going to be announced shortly from the Straw Poll taken at the TBA conferen... Washington Monthly Giuliani Followup Outside The Beltway | OTB: By popular demand, I herewith comment on the story Newsday that broke yesterday that Rudy Giuliani m... Matthew Yglesias / proudly eponymous since 2002: I didn't blog yesterday about Rudy Giuliani skipping out on the invitation to join the Iraq Study Gr... &raquo; Outside The Beltway | OTB: By popular demand, I herewith comment on the story Newsday that broke yesterday that Rudy Giuliani m... The Carpetbagger Report: Yesterday, Newsday broke a huge story that everyone else had missed: Rudy Giuliani was on the Iraq S... Andrew Sullivan The Ticking Time Bomb Say Anything - North Dakota's Most Popular Political Blog: Is The “Ticking Time Bomb” Scenario Absurd?... digg: The conservative jurist stuck up for Agent Bauer, arguing that fictional or not, federal agents requ... Washington Post / DEB RIECHMANN   Bush Vetoes Bill Easing Stem Cell Limits Chuck Currie: President Bush vetoed hope for millions of sick Americans today when he once again vetoed bi-partisa... Daily Kos: State of the Nation: Breaking out his veto pen for only the third time in six years, George Bush once again chose to spit...  More BuzzTracker [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Anjin-San</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_blew_off_iraq_panel_for_speaking_fees/comment-page-1/#comment-134333</link>
		<dc:creator>Anjin-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also keep in mind that when his country called on him to serve as Homeland Security director in wartime, Guilani declined as he was too busy making money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also keep in mind that when his country called on him to serve as Homeland Security director in wartime, Guilani declined as he was too busy making money.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Baker has been a critic of the effort in Iraq from the very beginning.  He and a bunch of democrats are not going to find anything viable to say about anything, let alone the situation in Iraq.  Why would any thinking individual capable of leadership want to spend any time listening to the lies presented by that bunch?  Anytime there is a democrat on any panel, one must question the veracity of that panel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Baker has been a critic of the effort in Iraq from the very beginning.  He and a bunch of democrats are not going to find anything viable to say about anything, let alone the situation in Iraq.  Why would any thinking individual capable of leadership want to spend any time listening to the lies presented by that bunch?  Anytime there is a democrat on any panel, one must question the veracity of that panel.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/06/19/rudy-giuliani-or-vampire/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rudy Giuliani or Vampire?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/06/19/rudy-giuliani-or-vampire/" rel="nofollow">Rudy Giuliani or Vampire?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(Triumph, I&#039;m not really sure why personalizing this into a criticism of JJ is especially productive -- but perhaps I&#039;m misreading you?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Misread---I&#039;m not sure where I&#039;ve criticized James.  I was just predicting how he would interpret the issue.  Sometimes I don&#039;t agree with his interpretations, but that is the nature of debate in a democratic society.

In the comment above, I was taking issue with his implication that Giuliani hasn&#039;t responded to the Newsday article--which, in fact, he had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(Triumph, I'm not really sure why personalizing this into a criticism of JJ is especially productive -- but perhaps I'm misreading you?)</p></blockquote>
<p>Misread---I'm not sure where I've criticized James.  I was just predicting how he would interpret the issue.  Sometimes I don't agree with his interpretations, but that is the nature of debate in a democratic society.</p>
<p>In the comment above, I was taking issue with his implication that Giuliani hasn't responded to the Newsday article--which, in fact, he had.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott_T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott_T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq Study Group, that&#039;s the one that wanted more Syrian and Iranian &quot;Input&quot; or help in closing down their border&#039;s with Iraq to curtail terrorist/Al Qaeda crossings isn&#039;t it?

No wonder why he blew it off, ISG doesn&#039;t even know what Iraq&#039;s neighbors are doing to facilitate the militas/AlQaeda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq Study Group, that's the one that wanted more Syrian and Iranian "Input" or help in closing down their border's with Iraq to curtail terrorist/Al Qaeda crossings isn't it?</p>
<p>No wonder why he blew it off, ISG doesn't even know what Iraq's neighbors are doing to facilitate the militas/AlQaeda.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind the media -- I don&#039;t see why his rivals aren&#039;t beating him over the head with this.  Which would solve the media problem, btw.  I&#039;ll leave aside the fundamental dubiety of an Iraq Study Group that wanted Giuliani in the 1st place.

Anyway, now that JJ has posted this, we can see if the world-famous OTB Commenters can give us a preview of how the conservative base might react.

(Triumph, I&#039;m not really sure why personalizing this into a criticism of JJ is especially productive -- but perhaps I&#039;m misreading you?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind the media -- I don't see why his rivals aren't beating him over the head with this.  Which would solve the media problem, btw.  I'll leave aside the fundamental dubiety of an Iraq Study Group that wanted Giuliani in the 1st place.</p>
<p>Anyway, now that JJ has posted this, we can see if the world-famous OTB Commenters can give us a preview of how the conservative base might react.</p>
<p>(Triumph, I'm not really sure why personalizing this into a criticism of JJ is especially productive -- but perhaps I'm misreading you?)</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ll be interested to see how Giuliani handles this question. I’d be perfectly content if he simply says, “Hey, I wanted the money. I’ve been in public service for decades and I wasn’t going to miss the opportunity to cash in to attend a couple of meetings.” My guess is he’ll offer something less candid as an answer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think I was pretty on-target in my prediction on how you would tackle this issue, James.

Of course, you fail to acknowledge that he HAS handled the question already.  His campaign explained yesterday that: &quot;As someone considered a Presidential candidate, the mayor didn&#039;t want the group&#039;s work to become a political football.&quot;

This, of course, is absurd because he had publicly expressed interest in a candidacy months before he was asked to be on the panel.  

Giuliani, just last week, when asked about why Iraq is not figuring prominently in his campaign declarations he offered no analysis on what to do about the quagmire, saying that it was &quot;in the hands of other people.&quot; 

If he is running as Mr. &quot;War against Terror&quot; and he is afraid to discuss--or even think about--the biggest foreign policy challenge facing the country, his viability as a candidate must be questioned.

Had this really been his concern, why did he agree to serve in the first place?  The explanation makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&rsquo;ll be interested to see how Giuliani handles this question. I&rsquo;d be perfectly content if he simply says, “Hey, I wanted the money. I&rsquo;ve been in public service for decades and I wasn&rsquo;t going to miss the opportunity to cash in to attend a couple of meetings.” My guess is he&rsquo;ll offer something less candid as an answer.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think I was pretty on-target in my prediction on how you would tackle this issue, James.</p>
<p>Of course, you fail to acknowledge that he HAS handled the question already.  His campaign explained yesterday that: "As someone considered a Presidential candidate, the mayor didn't want the group's work to become a political football."</p>
<p>This, of course, is absurd because he had publicly expressed interest in a candidacy months before he was asked to be on the panel.  </p>
<p>Giuliani, just last week, when asked about why Iraq is not figuring prominently in his campaign declarations he offered no analysis on what to do about the quagmire, saying that it was "in the hands of other people." </p>
<p>If he is running as Mr. "War against Terror" and he is afraid to discuss--or even think about--the biggest foreign policy challenge facing the country, his viability as a candidate must be questioned.</p>
<p>Had this really been his concern, why did he agree to serve in the first place?  The explanation makes no sense.</p>
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