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		<title>By: devoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>devoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>A tracking poll of 306 likely or definite Republicans who plan or who have already voted in the hot Nevada 2nd Congressional District Primary show that Minuteman PAC endorsed candidate Sharron Angle has opened up a 13 point lead over second place candidate Dawn Gibbons.</p>
<p>Angle led the five way contest with 33 percent of the vote, followed by Gibbons at 21 percent and Secretary of State Dean Heller at 19 percent. 27 percent of respondents were undecided.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In fact, there was a long period of time when the Bush administration made the case against Saddam which, by the way, was convincin enough at the time to sway a majority of Democrats to vote to approve the Iraq war.&lt;/em&gt;

By misleading America in general and the Congress in particular as to the actual evidence for Saddam&#039;s being a threat.  This ain&#039;t ancient history; we were there; we remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>In fact, there was a long period of time when the Bush administration made the case against Saddam which, by the way, was convincin enough at the time to sway a majority of Democrats to vote to approve the Iraq war.</em></p>
<p>By misleading America in general and the Congress in particular as to the actual evidence for Saddam's being a threat.  This ain't ancient history; we were there; we remember.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The premise of that argument is based on the faulty notion that one day the Bush administration just woke up and attacked Iraq.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Bull.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bush himself &lt;/a&gt;says that&#039;s pretty much what happened. In fact, one of his own senior officials says Bush wanted to invade Iraq &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;before he even took office&lt;/a&gt;. When I said the invasion of Iraq was a flawed response to 911, I was being charitable those that supported it, against their own better judgement. For Bush, it was a foregone conclusion &lt;em&gt;even if 911 hadn&#039;t happened&lt;/em&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As I said in my post, save your psychological analysis and monday morning quarterbacking for the history books. We are there now and it’s a mistake for us not to finish what we started.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
We do need to leave Iraq in some sort of stable situation. But I, and an increasing number of Americans, believe that neither Bush nor anyone in the GOP is competent to actually do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The premise of that argument is based on the faulty notion that one day the Bush administration just woke up and attacked Iraq.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bull.<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml" rel="nofollow">Bush himself </a>says that's pretty much what happened. In fact, one of his own senior officials says Bush wanted to invade Iraq <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml" rel="nofollow">before he even took office</a>. When I said the invasion of Iraq was a flawed response to 911, I was being charitable those that supported it, against their own better judgement. For Bush, it was a foregone conclusion <em>even if 911 hadn't happened</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>As I said in my post, save your psychological analysis and monday morning quarterbacking for the history books. We are there now and it&rsquo;s a mistake for us not to finish what we started.</p></blockquote>
<p>We do need to leave Iraq in some sort of stable situation. But I, and an increasing number of Americans, believe that neither Bush nor anyone in the GOP is competent to actually do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Tinti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Tinti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion: you write:

&lt;blockquote&gt;You’re wrong, Greg. You’re not on offense against terrorism, you’re just on offense. There’s a subtle, but critical, difference. Many commenters on the right supported the invasion of Iraq, even while questioning the threat they posed, by saying that we needed to invade _someone_ just to raise some hell and show the Moslems &amp; the terrorists &amp; the rest of the world we mean business. It’s natural to want to lash out after something as painful &amp; tragic as 9/11. Invading Afghanistan was a completely relevant and reasonable thing to do. But invading Iraq was nothing more than bloodthirsty revenge killing - it did not damage AQ, it did not have any potential to capture, kill, or even stop Bin Laden, and it has not made the US one damn bit safer. The only justification for it is the bloodthirsty need to kill someone, _anyone_, for what was done to us.

That’s not the the policy of a global superpower. It’s the danger of a rabid, unthinking animal. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The premise of that argument is based on the faulty notion that one day the Bush administration just woke up and attacked Iraq.  In fact, there was a long period of time when the Bush administration made the case against Saddam which, by the way, was convincin enough at the time to sway a majority of Democrats to vote to approve the Iraq war.  

As I said in my post, save your psychological analysis and monday morning quarterbacking for the history books.  We are there now and it&#039;s a mistake for us not to finish what we started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion: you write:</p>
<blockquote><p>You&rsquo;re wrong, Greg. You&rsquo;re not on offense against terrorism, you&rsquo;re just on offense. There&rsquo;s a subtle, but critical, difference. Many commenters on the right supported the invasion of Iraq, even while questioning the threat they posed, by saying that we needed to invade _someone_ just to raise some hell and show the Moslems &#038; the terrorists &#038; the rest of the world we mean business. It&rsquo;s natural to want to lash out after something as painful &#038; tragic as 9/11. Invading Afghanistan was a completely relevant and reasonable thing to do. But invading Iraq was nothing more than bloodthirsty revenge killing - it did not damage AQ, it did not have any potential to capture, kill, or even stop Bin Laden, and it has not made the US one damn bit safer. The only justification for it is the bloodthirsty need to kill someone, _anyone_, for what was done to us.</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s not the the policy of a global superpower. It&rsquo;s the danger of a rabid, unthinking animal. </p></blockquote>
<p>The premise of that argument is based on the faulty notion that one day the Bush administration just woke up and attacked Iraq.  In fact, there was a long period of time when the Bush administration made the case against Saddam which, by the way, was convincin enough at the time to sway a majority of Democrats to vote to approve the Iraq war.  </p>
<p>As I said in my post, save your psychological analysis and monday morning quarterbacking for the history books.  We are there now and it's a mistake for us not to finish what we started.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Maybe Giuliani did want a break from public service. But, as the President reminds us constantly, we are at war. I am sure a lot of servicemen who are under stop loss would like a break too.

We are at war. The President called. He took a pass. Is that the action of a leader?

I was a fan of Giuliani up till that point. As for everyone having a right to make a living, I am pretty sure that the DHS job comes with a paycheck that is larger then most Americans see.

In my view, he did not want to give up his lucrative consulting business, nor take a job that could probably only hurt his political ambitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Maybe Giuliani did want a break from public service. But, as the President reminds us constantly, we are at war. I am sure a lot of servicemen who are under stop loss would like a break too.</p>
<p>We are at war. The President called. He took a pass. Is that the action of a leader?</p>
<p>I was a fan of Giuliani up till that point. As for everyone having a right to make a living, I am pretty sure that the DHS job comes with a paycheck that is larger then most Americans see.</p>
<p>In my view, he did not want to give up his lucrative consulting business, nor take a job that could probably only hurt his political ambitions.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I clearly state that _nobody_ can say if these things would or would not have happened if we hadn’t invaded Iraq. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well duh.  Hoewever the whole premise of your argument, and those that think like you, is that Iraq has done NOTHING to assist the GWOT.

You have just refuted yourself perfectly.

&lt;blockquote&gt;commenters on the right supported the invasion of Iraq, even while questioning the threat they posed, by saying that we needed to invade _someone_ just to raise some hell and show the Moslems &amp; the terrorists &amp; the rest of the world we mean business. It’s natural to want to lash out after something as painful &amp; tragic as 9/11.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now you&#039;re just projecting.  It&#039;s Friday.  Get yourself a cold beer, sit outside, and listen to the wind blow. Chill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I clearly state that _nobody_ can say if these things would or would not have happened if we hadn&rsquo;t invaded Iraq. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well duh.  Hoewever the whole premise of your argument, and those that think like you, is that Iraq has done NOTHING to assist the GWOT.</p>
<p>You have just refuted yourself perfectly.</p>
<blockquote><p>commenters on the right supported the invasion of Iraq, even while questioning the threat they posed, by saying that we needed to invade _someone_ just to raise some hell and show the Moslems &amp; the terrorists &amp; the rest of the world we mean business. It&rsquo;s natural to want to lash out after something as painful &amp; tragic as 9/11.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now you're just projecting.  It's Friday.  Get yourself a cold beer, sit outside, and listen to the wind blow. Chill.</p>
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		<title>By: Caribbean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caribbean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Giuliani is still the one of the most influencial politic figure in New York. However, I don&#039;t know if Bush offered him the job or not. The issue isn&#039;t if we can fight in iraq and be vigilant against terrorism, if the issue is does the war in iraq drive more people into the terrorists arms, and if so you have a never ending war which is exactly what bush’s principle backers are seeking for political and financial gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Giuliani is still the one of the most influencial politic figure in New York. However, I don't know if Bush offered him the job or not. The issue isn't if we can fight in iraq and be vigilant against terrorism, if the issue is does the war in iraq drive more people into the terrorists arms, and if so you have a never ending war which is exactly what bush&rsquo;s principle backers are seeking for political and financial gain.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He writes that “supporting the Iraq war doesn’t mean you’re ‘on offense against terrorism.’” Well, to some of us it does.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And I gotta weigh in on this too. You&#039;re wrong, Greg. You&#039;re not on offense against terrorism, you&#039;re just on offense. There&#039;s a subtle, but critical, difference. Many commenters on the right supported the invasion of Iraq, even while questioning the threat they posed, by saying that we needed to invade _someone_ just to raise some hell and show the Moslems &amp; the terrorists &amp; the rest of the world we mean business. It&#039;s natural to want to lash out after something as painful &amp; tragic as 9/11. Invading Afghanistan was a completely relevant and reasonable thing to do. But invading Iraq was nothing more than bloodthirsty revenge killing - it did not damage AQ, it did not have any potential to capture, kill, or even stop Bin Laden, and it has not made the US one damn bit safer. The only justification for it is the bloodthirsty need to kill someone, _anyone_, for what was done to us.

That&#039;s not the the policy of a global superpower. It&#039;s the danger of a rabid, unthinking animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He writes that “supporting the Iraq war doesn&rsquo;t mean you&rsquo;re ‘on offense against terrorism.&rsquo;” Well, to some of us it does.</p></blockquote>
<p>And I gotta weigh in on this too. You're wrong, Greg. You're not on offense against terrorism, you're just on offense. There's a subtle, but critical, difference. Many commenters on the right supported the invasion of Iraq, even while questioning the threat they posed, by saying that we needed to invade _someone_ just to raise some hell and show the Moslems &amp; the terrorists &amp; the rest of the world we mean business. It's natural to want to lash out after something as painful &amp; tragic as 9/11. Invading Afghanistan was a completely relevant and reasonable thing to do. But invading Iraq was nothing more than bloodthirsty revenge killing - it did not damage AQ, it did not have any potential to capture, kill, or even stop Bin Laden, and it has not made the US one damn bit safer. The only justification for it is the bloodthirsty need to kill someone, _anyone_, for what was done to us.</p>
<p>That's not the the policy of a global superpower. It's the danger of a rabid, unthinking animal.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJD, your reading comprehension has a doo-doo quality as well. I clearly state that _nobody_ can say if these things would or would not have happened if we hadn&#039;t invaded Iraq. Not that Bush caused terrorism, not that Kerry would have magically saved us, not any of that. Simply that Giuliani&#039;s idea that foiling this plot somehow validates the invasion is not logically defensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJD, your reading comprehension has a doo-doo quality as well. I clearly state that _nobody_ can say if these things would or would not have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq. Not that Bush caused terrorism, not that Kerry would have magically saved us, not any of that. Simply that Giuliani's idea that foiling this plot somehow validates the invasion is not logically defensible.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinHam</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinHam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t Lieberman&#039;s support for the Iraq war that did him in-- plenty of other Democrats (Clinton, Biden, Kerry) have gotten away with it. What got Lieberman defeated was his penchant for trashing Democrats who don&#039;t share his enthusiasm for what we&#039;re doing in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn't Lieberman's support for the Iraq war that did him in-- plenty of other Democrats (Clinton, Biden, Kerry) have gotten away with it. What got Lieberman defeated was his penchant for trashing Democrats who don't share his enthusiasm for what we're doing in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Giuliani. I can’t get pass the fact that when the President called on him, during wartime, to serve his country in the vitally important position of director of homeland security, he had better things to do. &lt;/em&gt;

I can&#039;t get past the fact that Giuliani pushed a man who copped a plea to avoid jail time to be Secretary of DHS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Giuliani. I can&rsquo;t get pass the fact that when the President called on him, during wartime, to serve his country in the vitally important position of director of homeland security, he had better things to do. </em></p>
<p>I can't get past the fact that Giuliani pushed a man who copped a plea to avoid jail time to be Secretary of DHS.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;He writes that “supporting the Iraq war doesn’t mean you’re ‘on offense against terrorism.’” Well, to some of us it does.&lt;/em&gt;

Okay, and the existence of fossils means &quot;to some of us&quot; that dinosurs drowned in Noah&#039;s Flood.  The rest of us should be concerned about that?

What&#039;s mainly needed in Iraq is a strong gov&#039;t with a monopoly on force, to keep the place from turning into Afghanistan or Lebanon.  Democracy alas is a distant priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>He writes that “supporting the Iraq war doesn&rsquo;t mean you&rsquo;re ‘on offense against terrorism.&rsquo;” Well, to some of us it does.</em></p>
<p>Okay, and the existence of fossils means "to some of us" that dinosurs drowned in Noah's Flood.  The rest of us should be concerned about that?</p>
<p>What's mainly needed in Iraq is a strong gov't with a monopoly on force, to keep the place from turning into Afghanistan or Lebanon.  Democracy alas is a distant priority.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likewise- conversely:

Kerry President.  No Iraq. Would he have discovered the plot?

Your arguments have a certain doo-doo quality as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise- conversely:</p>
<p>Kerry President.  No Iraq. Would he have discovered the plot?</p>
<p>Your arguments have a certain doo-doo quality as well.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giuliani&#039;s, and much of the right&#039;s, pontificating that this success vindicates Bush&#039;s take on the GWOT is a crap argument. It assumes that the UK plane plot (a) would have still been attempted even if we hadn&#039;t invaded Iraq and (b) that it wouldn&#039;t have been discovered before planes started blowing up. Neither of those things can concretely be said or denied by anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuliani's, and much of the right's, pontificating that this success vindicates Bush's take on the GWOT is a crap argument. It assumes that the UK plane plot (a) would have still been attempted even if we hadn't invaded Iraq and (b) that it wouldn't have been discovered before planes started blowing up. Neither of those things can concretely be said or denied by anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;What are we going to negotiate away? The rights of women? Are we going to negotiate…set up an Islamic state to make them happy?&lt;/em&gt; 

And our alternative would be ...?  (I assume he&#039;s talking about Iraq; otherwise, it&#039;s just gibberish.)

Either we settle down to 50 to 100 years of governing Iraq like the Brits did India, or else we recognize that a Shiite state will be the result of our invasion.  Saddam himself thought that was his shield against invasion:  &lt;i&gt;what, the Americans will get rid of me so that a Shiite theocracy can rule Iraq?&lt;/i&gt;  Fooled him, didn&#039;t we?</description>
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<p>And our alternative would be ...?  (I assume he's talking about Iraq; otherwise, it's just gibberish.)</p>
<p>Either we settle down to 50 to 100 years of governing Iraq like the Brits did India, or else we recognize that a Shiite state will be the result of our invasion.  Saddam himself thought that was his shield against invasion:  <i>what, the Americans will get rid of me so that a Shiite theocracy can rule Iraq?</i>  Fooled him, didn't we?</p>
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