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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_too_weird_to_be_elected_president/comment-page-1/#comment-112936</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Triumph, Justice Alito was the second choice for the second Supreme Court vacancy that opened up when Chief Justice Rehnquist passed away.  John Roberts had already been nominated to replace Justice O&#039;Conner after her retirement, but he was then bumped up for the Chief Justice billet.  Harriet Miers nomination never made it to the Senate for rejection.  She asked that her nomination be withdrawn before it ever came to a vote.  I don&#039;t know how unfortunate Bush thought Justice Alito was as a replacement for her, but I&#039;ll take your word for it.

I assume by surreal you mean interpreting the law regarding Gore v. Bush.  Oh, and, of course, you do know that had Gore prevailed in the US Supreme Court he still would have lost under every conceivable vote count except the one where he got to cherry pick votes from only three counties in Florida, right?  Even the NY Times said so.

Personally, I thought Kerry&#039;s failure was due more to the stupid ploy of being John Kerry, you know, reporting for duty with his magic hat in an SUV that wasn&#039;t his and so on and so on...

As to what constitutes good judgment from a candidate and which candidates possess it to what degree, we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree.  I mean, I wouldn&#039;t want to waste any &lt;strike&gt;lives&lt;/strike&gt; words arguing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Triumph, Justice Alito was the second choice for the second Supreme Court vacancy that opened up when Chief Justice Rehnquist passed away.  John Roberts had already been nominated to replace Justice O'Conner after her retirement, but he was then bumped up for the Chief Justice billet.  Harriet Miers nomination never made it to the Senate for rejection.  She asked that her nomination be withdrawn before it ever came to a vote.  I don't know how unfortunate Bush thought Justice Alito was as a replacement for her, but I'll take your word for it.</p>
<p>I assume by surreal you mean interpreting the law regarding Gore v. Bush.  Oh, and, of course, you do know that had Gore prevailed in the US Supreme Court he still would have lost under every conceivable vote count except the one where he got to cherry pick votes from only three counties in Florida, right?  Even the NY Times said so.</p>
<p>Personally, I thought Kerry's failure was due more to the stupid ploy of being John Kerry, you know, reporting for duty with his magic hat in an SUV that wasn't his and so on and so on...</p>
<p>As to what constitutes good judgment from a candidate and which candidates possess it to what degree, we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I mean, I wouldn't want to waste any <strike>lives</strike> words arguing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_too_weird_to_be_elected_president/comment-page-1/#comment-112897</link>
		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Justice Alito and Cheif Justice Roberts do count for something, after all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok Charles--of course, by Bush&#039;s own measure his Supreme Court nominees were unfortunate second choices. 

According to Bush, Harriet Miers is the most qualified person in the country for the court and he was unable to persuade the Senate of that fact.

I agree with your assessment on the Democrat&#039;s incompetence.  Although Gore clearly had the support of most of the American people in 2000, the fact that the election boiled down to a surreal supreme court decision should not eclipse the fact that Gore should have picked up  more states.

As for Kerry, his failure was due to the stupid ploy of buying into the Republican frame on nearly every issue.  

I think the next election people will be looking for someone with good judgement, over all else--this is why Giuliani&#039;s candidacy is dead in the water.

It is difficult to predict which Republican candidate can tap the judgement argument since they all are flawed in this regard.  On the Democrat side, Clinton cannot pass the test.  Edwards is trying by expressing regret for his support for the war--but it may be too little too late.  Obama and Vilsak have demonstrated good judgement, but their relatively obscure backgrounds may hurt them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Justice Alito and Cheif Justice Roberts do count for something, after all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok Charles--of course, by Bush's own measure his Supreme Court nominees were unfortunate second choices. </p>
<p>According to Bush, Harriet Miers is the most qualified person in the country for the court and he was unable to persuade the Senate of that fact.</p>
<p>I agree with your assessment on the Democrat's incompetence.  Although Gore clearly had the support of most of the American people in 2000, the fact that the election boiled down to a surreal supreme court decision should not eclipse the fact that Gore should have picked up  more states.</p>
<p>As for Kerry, his failure was due to the stupid ploy of buying into the Republican frame on nearly every issue.  </p>
<p>I think the next election people will be looking for someone with good judgement, over all else--this is why Giuliani's candidacy is dead in the water.</p>
<p>It is difficult to predict which Republican candidate can tap the judgement argument since they all are flawed in this regard.  On the Democrat side, Clinton cannot pass the test.  Edwards is trying by expressing regret for his support for the war--but it may be too little too late.  Obama and Vilsak have demonstrated good judgement, but their relatively obscure backgrounds may hurt them.</p>
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		<title>By: cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s just the weirdness we know about. I would suggest the intricately carved woodwork which surrounds the Giuliani portrait is literally crawling with God knows what- highly questionable appointments from his days as Mayor, business associations so dodgy you&#039;d need a spirit level to keep them straight and his one moment of shining glory is wide open for tarnishing (Kerry thought his war record was secure enough to use it as an opening salvo in 2004).

The fighting dogs of the democratic political machine are howling as we speak over the prospect of a Giuliani run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that's just the weirdness we know about. I would suggest the intricately carved woodwork which surrounds the Giuliani portrait is literally crawling with God knows what- highly questionable appointments from his days as Mayor, business associations so dodgy you'd need a spirit level to keep them straight and his one moment of shining glory is wide open for tarnishing (Kerry thought his war record was secure enough to use it as an opening salvo in 2004).</p>
<p>The fighting dogs of the democratic political machine are howling as we speak over the prospect of a Giuliani run.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hillary’s popularity skyrocketed during the lewinsky scandal. You really think that “sword will remain sheathed”? Hell, no.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

It is an interesting phenomenon, perhaps unprecedented in American history, that the more publicity the Clintons get, positive or negative, the more the American people like them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hillary&rsquo;s popularity skyrocketed during the lewinsky scandal. You really think that “sword will remain sheathed”? Hell, no.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is an interesting phenomenon, perhaps unprecedented in American history, that the more publicity the Clintons get, positive or negative, the more the American people like them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Mr. Austin.</description>
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		<title>By: Terrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My goodness, are there no perfect candidates most of the populace can agree on? Everyone is flawed to some extent and has to compromise to a further extent to garner 50% + 1 votes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. 

I think G&#039;s the best option we have right now from the GOP, although Newt would be the better pick if his &quot;weirdness factor&quot; wasn&#039;t already higher than G&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My goodness, are there no perfect candidates most of the populace can agree on? Everyone is flawed to some extent and has to compromise to a further extent to garner 50% + 1 votes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>I think G's the best option we have right now from the GOP, although Newt would be the better pick if his "weirdness factor" wasn't already higher than G's.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t regard the Bush presidency as quite the disaster that you do Triumph, certainly not by every account.  Justice Alito and Cheif Justice Roberts do count for something, after all.  That&#039;s not to say I&#039;m happy about everything that has happened, but the economy remains phenomonally strong, and at least we&#039;re still fighting the GWOT, albeit somewhat halfheartedly.  Given the option of a President Gore or a President Kerry (... shiver...), I&#039;ll still take Bush.  I&#039;d like to see a poll on how the last presidential election would turn out now even with Bush&#039;s ratings in the doldrums given that John Kerry has been running around the world with a case of sour grapes bad mouthing the country that spurned him and looking for someone for the US to surrender to in Iraq.  I find it rather telling that virtually no one wants Gore or Kerry to run again in 2008.  You know, it&#039;s not like the Democrats have been making brilliant choices when given the chance, or they should have been able to find someone, anyone, who could beat what you regard as a fool, a tool, and a war criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don't regard the Bush presidency as quite the disaster that you do Triumph, certainly not by every account.  Justice Alito and Cheif Justice Roberts do count for something, after all.  That's not to say I'm happy about everything that has happened, but the economy remains phenomonally strong, and at least we're still fighting the GWOT, albeit somewhat halfheartedly.  Given the option of a President Gore or a President Kerry (... shiver...), I'll still take Bush.  I'd like to see a poll on how the last presidential election would turn out now even with Bush's ratings in the doldrums given that John Kerry has been running around the world with a case of sour grapes bad mouthing the country that spurned him and looking for someone for the US to surrender to in Iraq.  I find it rather telling that virtually no one wants Gore or Kerry to run again in 2008.  You know, it's not like the Democrats have been making brilliant choices when given the chance, or they should have been able to find someone, anyone, who could beat what you regard as a fool, a tool, and a war criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many of the comments about Rudy remind me a little of comments 6 years ago concerning George W. Bush.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dude, this certainly doesnt bolster your argument!  Bush, by every account, has been a disaster for the country.  I am not willing to go as far as you and speculate that Rudy will be in the same league as Bush...although the challenge of cleaning up Bush&#039;s mess will likely doom whoever his successor is to failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many of the comments about Rudy remind me a little of comments 6 years ago concerning George W. Bush.</p></blockquote>
<p>Dude, this certainly doesnt bolster your argument!  Bush, by every account, has been a disaster for the country.  I am not willing to go as far as you and speculate that Rudy will be in the same league as Bush...although the challenge of cleaning up Bush's mess will likely doom whoever his successor is to failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And, should it come down to a Hillary-Rudy matchup in November 2008, I suspect the adultery sword will remain sheathed. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hillary&#039;s popularity skyrocketed during the lewinsky scandal.  You really think that &quot;sword will remain sheathed&quot;?  Hell, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And, should it come down to a Hillary-Rudy matchup in November 2008, I suspect the adultery sword will remain sheathed.
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<p>Hillary's popularity skyrocketed during the lewinsky scandal.  You really think that "sword will remain sheathed"?  Hell, no.</p>
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		<title>By: The Political Pit Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/giuliani_too_weird_to_be_elected_president/comment-page-1/#comment-112856</link>
		<dc:creator>The Political Pit Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rudypalooza...&lt;/strong&gt;

Lots of Rudy links to unload on you tonight. Over at Outside the Beltway, James Joyner wonders if Giuliani&#039;s past is too odd for him to be elected president. Ace has some words of advice for Rudy, mostly on immigration......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rudypalooza...</strong></p>
<p>Lots of Rudy links to unload on you tonight. Over at Outside the Beltway, James Joyner wonders if Giuliani's past is too odd for him to be elected president. Ace has some words of advice for Rudy, mostly on immigration......</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goodness, are there no perfect candidates most of the populace can agree on?  Everyone is flawed to some extent and has to compromise to a further extent to garner 50% + 1 votes.

While I&#039;m no fan of Mr. Guiliani&#039;s positions on gun control, global warming, and a few other things, he is still vastly preferable to any of the Senators, ex-Senators, and various other gadflys and nutroot choir directors who have officially declared.  No one who advocates freedom and a strong defense to the extent I would like to see them will ever be elected president, but I&#039;ll still end up voting for someone.  Likely, it will be someone who is still willing to fight the GWOT.

Many of the comments about Rudy remind me a little of comments 6 years ago concerning George W. Bush.  As Archilocus once wrote, the fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.  And whatever the virtues of their many bits of wisdom or rumored abilities, that one big thing is something the foxes still seem to want no part of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness, are there no perfect candidates most of the populace can agree on?  Everyone is flawed to some extent and has to compromise to a further extent to garner 50% + 1 votes.</p>
<p>While I'm no fan of Mr. Guiliani's positions on gun control, global warming, and a few other things, he is still vastly preferable to any of the Senators, ex-Senators, and various other gadflys and nutroot choir directors who have officially declared.  No one who advocates freedom and a strong defense to the extent I would like to see them will ever be elected president, but I'll still end up voting for someone.  Likely, it will be someone who is still willing to fight the GWOT.</p>
<p>Many of the comments about Rudy remind me a little of comments 6 years ago concerning George W. Bush.  As Archilocus once wrote, the fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.  And whatever the virtues of their many bits of wisdom or rumored abilities, that one big thing is something the foxes still seem to want no part of.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;the standard OTB leftoids&lt;/em&gt; 

Dibs on the band name!  We&#039;ll call our first album &quot;Fersboo.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the standard OTB leftoids</em> </p>
<p>Dibs on the band name!  We'll call our first album "Fersboo."</p>
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		<title>By: Fersboo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fersboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the standard OTB leftoids have crawled from under the woodwork to claim Rudy unfit for the Republican nomination.  How droll.

JJ, there are many borderline moderate/conservatives that know what Rudy did to turn around NYC before 9/11 and are willing to overlook some of Rudy&#039;s &#039;weirdness&#039;.  It&#039;s all about priorities and without law and order and a strong national defense/anti-terrorism stance, all the other issues Rudy might fail in are irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the standard OTB leftoids have crawled from under the woodwork to claim Rudy unfit for the Republican nomination.  How droll.</p>
<p>JJ, there are many borderline moderate/conservatives that know what Rudy did to turn around NYC before 9/11 and are willing to overlook some of Rudy's 'weirdness'.  It's all about priorities and without law and order and a strong national defense/anti-terrorism stance, all the other issues Rudy might fail in are irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliBlog (TM):  A Rough Draft of my Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliBlog (TM):  A Rough Draft of my Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Adultery Election...&lt;/strong&gt;

In noting my earlier post on Rudy, James Joyner raises an interesting point:  is there so much adultery out there amongst the major &#8216;08 contenders that it will all cancel out?
As James notes, it isn&#8217;t like McCain can bring it up, and certai...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Adultery Election...</strong></p>
<p>In noting my earlier post on Rudy, James Joyner raises an interesting point:  is there so much adultery out there amongst the major &#8216;08 contenders that it will all cancel out?<br />
As James notes, it isn&#8217;t like McCain can bring it up, and certai...</p>
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		<title>By: Stanford Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanford Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, as reported elsewhere, Mitt Romney is one of the three GOP top tier candidates with Giuliani and McCain as the other two then I believe he can overcome the hedging on pro-choice/pro-life as Giuliani self-destructs and past history weakens McCain&#039;s chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, as reported elsewhere, Mitt Romney is one of the three GOP top tier candidates with Giuliani and McCain as the other two then I believe he can overcome the hedging on pro-choice/pro-life as Giuliani self-destructs and past history weakens McCain's chances.</p>
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