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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/global_warming_conferences_add_to_global_warming/comment-page-1/#comment-250631</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All they had to do was get out a map and put pins identifying where participants would come from. They could find something a tad more centrally located.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Such as?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All they had to do was get out a map and put pins identifying where participants would come from. They could find something a tad more centrally located.</p></blockquote>
<p>Such as?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Judge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Judge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic is &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; Iraq, &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; Republicans, etc etc etc.  It &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; about taxpayers around the world forced to send politicians (nobody asked me if they could use my money to go there.  Did they ask you?) to the farthest place from any reasonable central meeting location, which happens to be a holiday destination via jet planes, while staying in air conditioned hotels for a meeting about saving fuel and limiting carbon emissions.  Pretty cut and dried.  Pretty insane.

All they had to do was get out a map and put pins identifying where participants would come from.  They could find something a tad more centrally located.

There are so many less consumptive, less polluting, less expensive options.  Write your government and let them know how idiotic this is.  Writing blogs is fun and easy, but, like this entry, it won&#039;t solve anything.  Hit &#039;em in the voting booth and let them know why.  That&#039;s all they care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic is <strong>not</strong> Iraq, <strong>not</strong> Republicans, etc etc etc.  It <strong>is</strong> about taxpayers around the world forced to send politicians (nobody asked me if they could use my money to go there.  Did they ask you?) to the farthest place from any reasonable central meeting location, which happens to be a holiday destination via jet planes, while staying in air conditioned hotels for a meeting about saving fuel and limiting carbon emissions.  Pretty cut and dried.  Pretty insane.</p>
<p>All they had to do was get out a map and put pins identifying where participants would come from.  They could find something a tad more centrally located.</p>
<p>There are so many less consumptive, less polluting, less expensive options.  Write your government and let them know how idiotic this is.  Writing blogs is fun and easy, but, like this entry, it won't solve anything.  Hit 'em in the voting booth and let them know why.  That's all they care about.</p>
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		<title>By: Bali Villas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bali Villas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha I am all with you.. They don&#039;t do videoconference maybe because they thought that they might loose a free trip to Bali... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha I am all with you.. They don't do videoconference maybe because they thought that they might loose a free trip to Bali... :)</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/global_warming_conferences_add_to_global_warming/comment-page-1/#comment-247301</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add to? Those who attend are global warming.

Gee why don&#039;t they just get on their yachts turn off the engines and sail to one of the Islands they own to have it, sh-t half of these gimps could have  their slaves(i.e. mindless kook followers) row them there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add to? Those who attend are global warming.</p>
<p>Gee why don't they just get on their yachts turn off the engines and sail to one of the Islands they own to have it, sh-t half of these gimps could have  their slaves(i.e. mindless kook followers) row them there.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should we shut down all the researchers looking into solar and hydrogen power?

After all, they work at companies that have lights, A/C, heating, computers, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should we shut down all the researchers looking into solar and hydrogen power?</p>
<p>After all, they work at companies that have lights, A/C, heating, computers, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming News n Views &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Global Warming Conferences Add to Global Warming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Warming News n Views &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Global Warming Conferences Add to Global Warming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/global_warming_conferences_add_to_global_warming/comment-page-1/#comment-246780</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s not entirely clear why these people couldn’t do that.&quot;

Oh, come on. That&#039;s the most disingenuous load of crap I&#039;ve seen you write in quite some time. How many times do you get serious businessmen to agree to videoconference at such a large scale? Never, that&#039;s how often. It doesn&#039;t scale, and people at that level of &#039;management&#039; don&#039;t really know how to communicate in any way other than face-to-face anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"It&rsquo;s not entirely clear why these people couldn&rsquo;t do that."</p>
<p>Oh, come on. That's the most disingenuous load of crap I've seen you write in quite some time. How many times do you get serious businessmen to agree to videoconference at such a large scale? Never, that's how often. It doesn't scale, and people at that level of 'management' don't really know how to communicate in any way other than face-to-face anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Exotic Bali Today: Not Looking Good&#160;&#8212;&#160;Pirate&#8217;s Cove</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Exotic Bali Today: Not Looking Good&#160;&#8212;&#160;Pirate&#8217;s Cove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Memeorandum. See more at Sister Toldjah, Outside The Beltway, A Blog For All, Polipundit, and The Sundries [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/global_warming_conferences_add_to_global_warming/comment-page-1/#comment-246713</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last-time should be last-mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last-time should be last-mile.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/global_warming_conferences_add_to_global_warming/comment-page-1/#comment-246712</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, one of the more obvious ways to decrease emissions without emulating Chad’s standard of living is the substitution of technologies such as videoconferencing for real-space meetings. It’s not entirely clear why these people couldn’t do that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Videoconferencing is ok for 2 or 3 simultanous feeds, but anything more than that and your internet connection will not be able to handle it.  It is not currently possible for dozens or hundreds of simultaneous video streams to be sent to any one location.  You would have to have a network capacity and last-time connectivity of a cable company to aggregate that many realtime feeds to that many realtime consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, one of the more obvious ways to decrease emissions without emulating Chad&rsquo;s standard of living is the substitution of technologies such as videoconferencing for real-space meetings. It&rsquo;s not entirely clear why these people couldn&rsquo;t do that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Videoconferencing is ok for 2 or 3 simultanous feeds, but anything more than that and your internet connection will not be able to handle it.  It is not currently possible for dozens or hundreds of simultaneous video streams to be sent to any one location.  You would have to have a network capacity and last-time connectivity of a cable company to aggregate that many realtime feeds to that many realtime consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Might as well ask why all conventions end up in Vegas or Orlando.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because these cities have convention centers large enough to hold the numerous people attending while still being able to effectively divide them into the numerous simultaneous meetings that will be held, and airports that can accomodate non-stop and international flights without having an unreasonable commute.  If it was just so the delegates could visit Disney, they would be held in Kissimmee not Orlando.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Might as well ask why all conventions end up in Vegas or Orlando.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because these cities have convention centers large enough to hold the numerous people attending while still being able to effectively divide them into the numerous simultaneous meetings that will be held, and airports that can accomodate non-stop and international flights without having an unreasonable commute.  If it was just so the delegates could visit Disney, they would be held in Kissimmee not Orlando.</p>
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		<title>By: Angryflower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angryflower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;one of the more obvious ways to decrease emissions without emulating Chad’s standard of living is the substitution of technologies such as videoconferencing for real-space meetings. It’s not entirely clear why these people couldn’t do that.&quot;

I think this is an excellent suggestion and would like to commend the author for their understanding of the problems we face today due to global climate change.  I look forward to reading many more helpful tips on how I can help the environment; clearly something important to the author of this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"one of the more obvious ways to decrease emissions without emulating Chad&rsquo;s standard of living is the substitution of technologies such as videoconferencing for real-space meetings. It&rsquo;s not entirely clear why these people couldn&rsquo;t do that."</p>
<p>I think this is an excellent suggestion and would like to commend the author for their understanding of the problems we face today due to global climate change.  I look forward to reading many more helpful tips on how I can help the environment; clearly something important to the author of this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enviro Group Sues Over Wind Farms In Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enviro Group Sues Over Wind Farms In Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On Climate Change Pact Maggie&#8217;s Farm: Weds. Morning Links James Joyner / Outside The Beltway: Global Warming Conferences Add to Global Warming PoliPundit.com: &#8220;Boxer determined to get global warming bill out of committee&#8221; Clayton [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we could make the same analogy about Iraq.  It was supposed to be a liberal democracy that would start the whole dominoes falling all over middle east, ushering in a new world order of ponies and leprachauns.

Instead, we ended up with a massively corrupt political system filled with death squads and unspeakable torture that will (best case) result in a theocracy that&#039;s aligned with our most hated of enemies the nuclear Iran.

Guess the irony of the Global Warming conf causing Global Warming is more funny than a war to prevent terrorist and theocracy causing more terrorism and theocracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we could make the same analogy about Iraq.  It was supposed to be a liberal democracy that would start the whole dominoes falling all over middle east, ushering in a new world order of ponies and leprachauns.</p>
<p>Instead, we ended up with a massively corrupt political system filled with death squads and unspeakable torture that will (best case) result in a theocracy that's aligned with our most hated of enemies the nuclear Iran.</p>
<p>Guess the irony of the Global Warming conf causing Global Warming is more funny than a war to prevent terrorist and theocracy causing more terrorism and theocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: clovis</title>
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		<dc:creator>clovis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tano says:
&lt;i&gt;Real people, real players, sitting down for a drink, or taking a stroll together and quietly getting past the posturing and talking points, and trying to find common ground - that is how, in the real world, the ball gets moved.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s also how graft survives.

Why Bali?  Might as well ask why all conventions end up in Vegas or Orlando.  Nothing like a destination conference to make people feel important.  Had this been held in a developed country the likelihood is that there would have been representatives on the ground and no excuse for a tropical vacation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tano says:<br />
<i>Real people, real players, sitting down for a drink, or taking a stroll together and quietly getting past the posturing and talking points, and trying to find common ground - that is how, in the real world, the ball gets moved.</i></p>
<p>It's also how graft survives.</p>
<p>Why Bali?  Might as well ask why all conventions end up in Vegas or Orlando.  Nothing like a destination conference to make people feel important.  Had this been held in a developed country the likelihood is that there would have been representatives on the ground and no excuse for a tropical vacation.</p>
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