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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why must we measure democracyâ??s success by voter turnout?&lt;/em&gt;

Very good point.  People who self-select not to vote, probably shouldn&#039;t be voting.

The solution proposed by the article mistakes a symptom for the disease.

--Okay, I seem to be back to my kneejerk position!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why must we measure democracyâ??s success by voter turnout?</em></p>
<p>Very good point.  People who self-select not to vote, probably shouldn't be voting.</p>
<p>The solution proposed by the article mistakes a symptom for the disease.</p>
<p>--Okay, I seem to be back to my kneejerk position!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My primary concern is whether there are mechanisms to stop voter fraud, since there is now a perceived potential monetary gain for voting. The fiasco of the 2004 election in Washington State, where many more fraudulent votes have been determined than the Governor&#039;s election was won by, is an example of voter roll problems. Likewise the same-day voter registration procedures in Wisconsin, where many fake addresses were found (Milwaukie) in 2004, could lead to a &quot;vote early, vote often&quot; situation. 

In the case of Arizona, I can see some &quot;snowbirds&quot; deciding to register in AZ, and also keep voting at their real primary summer residence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My primary concern is whether there are mechanisms to stop voter fraud, since there is now a perceived potential monetary gain for voting. The fiasco of the 2004 election in Washington State, where many more fraudulent votes have been determined than the Governor's election was won by, is an example of voter roll problems. Likewise the same-day voter registration procedures in Wisconsin, where many fake addresses were found (Milwaukie) in 2004, could lead to a "vote early, vote often" situation. </p>
<p>In the case of Arizona, I can see some "snowbirds" deciding to register in AZ, and also keep voting at their real primary summer residence.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Plunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Plunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why must we measure democracy&#039;s success by voter turnout?  Why should the government even make it it&#039;s business to increase turnout?  These are fundamental questions that should be answered before wild schemes such as this are implemented.

It would seem content citizens would not feel like voting since things are going okay for them while unhappy voters would flock to the polls to make a change.  A certain equilibrium would be reached eventually and turnout would be exactly where it should be without any intervention by a governmental body.

This idea, along with many others, is misguided.  Turnout is not anything to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must we measure democracy's success by voter turnout?  Why should the government even make it it's business to increase turnout?  These are fundamental questions that should be answered before wild schemes such as this are implemented.</p>
<p>It would seem content citizens would not feel like voting since things are going okay for them while unhappy voters would flock to the polls to make a change.  A certain equilibrium would be reached eventually and turnout would be exactly where it should be without any intervention by a governmental body.</p>
<p>This idea, along with many others, is misguided.  Turnout is not anything to worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/go_vote_win_1_million/comment-page-1/#comment-90370</link>
		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OUTRAGEOUS!!</description>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So, by getting people more motivated to vote, they are more likely to pay attention, because now they have a reason to.&lt;/em&gt; 

A potential problem is that people have little if any more incentive to make their decision on any rational basis.  The lottery-minded voter *could* start watching Fox or CNN, or studying recent issues of &lt;i&gt;Foreign Affairs&lt;/i&gt;.

Or he could just decide &quot;Kerry&#039;s a windsurfing rich boy,&quot; or &quot;Bush talks funny,&quot; and let it ride on that.  Indeed, readers of the NYT (former) and Slate (latter) might well decide on that basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So, by getting people more motivated to vote, they are more likely to pay attention, because now they have a reason to.</em> </p>
<p>A potential problem is that people have little if any more incentive to make their decision on any rational basis.  The lottery-minded voter *could* start watching Fox or CNN, or studying recent issues of <i>Foreign Affairs</i>.</p>
<p>Or he could just decide "Kerry's a windsurfing rich boy," or "Bush talks funny," and let it ride on that.  Indeed, readers of the NYT (former) and Slate (latter) might well decide on that basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/go_vote_win_1_million/comment-page-1/#comment-90345</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: I&#039;m not saying this will magically happen for everyone.  But, in general, it is known that people will acquire and retain more information if they have a &quot;task&quot; associated with it than if they don&#039;t--this applies to everything, not just politics.

So, by getting people more motivated to vote, they are more likely to pay attention, because &lt;i&gt;now they have a reason to&lt;/i&gt;.  As it stands, the only people who pay attention to politics are the sickos who either (a) have to know about politics for their jobs or (b) have no other hobbies.  Everyone else gets it by osmosis (the information is unavoidable, so you have no choice but to acquire it) and/or the task (I have to vote, therefore I&#039;d better get some information).

For Bhoe: just read some cognitive psych literature.  Or Alvarez and Brehm.  Or Aldrich, Rahn, Borgida, and Sullivan.  Or maybe some Krosnick; I really don&#039;t care.  I&#039;m not playing this stupid game any more with someone hiding behind a pseudonym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I'm not saying this will magically happen for everyone.  But, in general, it is known that people will acquire and retain more information if they have a "task" associated with it than if they don't--this applies to everything, not just politics.</p>
<p>So, by getting people more motivated to vote, they are more likely to pay attention, because <i>now they have a reason to</i>.  As it stands, the only people who pay attention to politics are the sickos who either (a) have to know about politics for their jobs or (b) have no other hobbies.  Everyone else gets it by osmosis (the information is unavoidable, so you have no choice but to acquire it) and/or the task (I have to vote, therefore I'd better get some information).</p>
<p>For Bhoe: just read some cognitive psych literature.  Or Alvarez and Brehm.  Or Aldrich, Rahn, Borgida, and Sullivan.  Or maybe some Krosnick; I really don't care.  I'm not playing this stupid game any more with someone hiding behind a pseudonym.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YAJ: An intruguing concept, but I don&#039;t agree with the premise that uninformed votes should be discarded.

Incidentally, in Britain up until the mid-1960s, candidates weren&#039;t identified by party on the ballot; turnout noticeably increased once party labels were added (but name recognition of candidates went down).  For Bhoe: that&#039;s in Cain, Fiorina, and Ferejohn&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Personal Vote&lt;/i&gt;; no page cite, since that was 8 years ago in my Congress seminar, I&#039;m not an institutions guy, and (hence) I don&#039;t have a copy of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAJ: An intruguing concept, but I don't agree with the premise that uninformed votes should be discarded.</p>
<p>Incidentally, in Britain up until the mid-1960s, candidates weren't identified by party on the ballot; turnout noticeably increased once party labels were added (but name recognition of candidates went down).  For Bhoe: that's in Cain, Fiorina, and Ferejohn's <i>The Personal Vote</i>; no page cite, since that was 8 years ago in my Congress seminar, I'm not an institutions guy, and (hence) I don't have a copy of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bhoe (and, to an extent, Anderson): I mentioned inner-city neighborhoods (and retirement communities) as examples--growing up in Florida, obviously both parties targeted the latter, depending on the region (and, in the case of Miami, the former as well).  Democrats historically have done a better job of doing &quot;visible&quot; GoTV efforts like neighborhood canvassing than the Republicans, hence the phrase &quot;particularly Democrats.&quot;  And both populations tend to be relatively strong in partisanship and easier to mobilize.

Bhoe, I didn&#039;t mean anything pejorative by it, but clearly you were searching for something to piss you off.  Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bhoe (and, to an extent, Anderson): I mentioned inner-city neighborhoods (and retirement communities) as examples--growing up in Florida, obviously both parties targeted the latter, depending on the region (and, in the case of Miami, the former as well).  Democrats historically have done a better job of doing "visible" GoTV efforts like neighborhood canvassing than the Republicans, hence the phrase "particularly Democrats."  And both populations tend to be relatively strong in partisanship and easier to mobilize.</p>
<p>Bhoe, I didn't mean anything pejorative by it, but clearly you were searching for something to piss you off.  Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one of my every other week lunch discussions with a spectrum of political views (Liberal, libertarian, moderate who thinks a divided government does the least harm, social conservative and me) we found surprise agreement on the idea of requiring a test for eligibility to vote. We recognized the issues with &#039;literacy tests&#039; in the past, but surprisingly all agreed that an informed voter was a boon to our country. The liberal because in his mind anyone who is informed on the issues surely couldn&#039;t support the GOP. We booted around a few ideas, but got no where fast on agreeing what the test should be like. It was obvious that each side was wanting to skew the test to favor &#039;their&#039; side.

Then the moderate popped up with an idea. Why not double the number of names on the ballot for each office. Random names would be inserted, with a party identification for the parties competing. The election office would generate random names equal to three times the number running. Each candidate could identify their top choices (ranking them 1,2,3 etc) and veto one name. The top choice names selected by the candidates would then have party affiliation randomly assigned to them.

Now when a voter gos into vote, they can vote for whomever they want. But if they select any &quot;fake&quot; candidate, their vote is discarded. If they at least know the names of the people running, then their vote counts.

Add that to the lottery idea and you might have a winner. The &#039;stupid&#039; voter gets tripped up and his vote doesn&#039;t count. The voters smart enough to know the name of the candidate they want gets his vote counted and the chance to win the money. Everybody is happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of my every other week lunch discussions with a spectrum of political views (Liberal, libertarian, moderate who thinks a divided government does the least harm, social conservative and me) we found surprise agreement on the idea of requiring a test for eligibility to vote. We recognized the issues with 'literacy tests' in the past, but surprisingly all agreed that an informed voter was a boon to our country. The liberal because in his mind anyone who is informed on the issues surely couldn't support the GOP. We booted around a few ideas, but got no where fast on agreeing what the test should be like. It was obvious that each side was wanting to skew the test to favor 'their' side.</p>
<p>Then the moderate popped up with an idea. Why not double the number of names on the ballot for each office. Random names would be inserted, with a party identification for the parties competing. The election office would generate random names equal to three times the number running. Each candidate could identify their top choices (ranking them 1,2,3 etc) and veto one name. The top choice names selected by the candidates would then have party affiliation randomly assigned to them.</p>
<p>Now when a voter gos into vote, they can vote for whomever they want. But if they select any "fake" candidate, their vote is discarded. If they at least know the names of the people running, then their vote counts.</p>
<p>Add that to the lottery idea and you might have a winner. The 'stupid' voter gets tripped up and his vote doesn't count. The voters smart enough to know the name of the candidate they want gets his vote counted and the chance to win the money. Everybody is happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;All it takes is one little piece of information to make a decision...&lt;/i&gt;

And that piece of &quot;information&quot; will be nothing more than knowing where your poll is and how to make sure your vote is included in the drawing.  

And, to use your &quot;stupid people&quot; example, what makes you think that they will suddenly become more informed when a prize is offered for voting when they are not &quot;educating themselves on the issues&quot; as it stands now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>All it takes is one little piece of information to make a decision...</i></p>
<p>And that piece of "information" will be nothing more than knowing where your poll is and how to make sure your vote is included in the drawing.  </p>
<p>And, to use your "stupid people" example, what makes you think that they will suddenly become more informed when a prize is offered for voting when they are not "educating themselves on the issues" as it stands now?</p>
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		<title>By: Bhoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In large part, the parties (particularly Democrats) already mobilize large populations that donâ��t pay much attention to the issues, but can be counted on to vote the party line. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought you were a political scientist!  Please provide some attribution for the party difference other than a hypothetical &quot;visit to any inner city neighborhood.&quot;  Anyone with any understanding of the mobilization literature in American politics would know that locality, the type of election, district party makeup, issue convergence, the presence of an incumbent and a whole host of other factors influence mobilization.

You might want to take a look at anything by Huckfeldt and Sprague for some informed analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In large part, the parties (particularly Democrats) already mobilize large populations that donâ��t pay much attention to the issues, but can be counted on to vote the party line. </p></blockquote>
<p>I thought you were a political scientist!  Please provide some attribution for the party difference other than a hypothetical "visit to any inner city neighborhood."  Anyone with any understanding of the mobilization literature in American politics would know that locality, the type of election, district party makeup, issue convergence, the presence of an incumbent and a whole host of other factors influence mobilization.</p>
<p>You might want to take a look at anything by Huckfeldt and Sprague for some informed analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: spacemonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>spacemonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many will walk in and just ask for the quick pick.</description>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post; I am reconsidering my kneejerk opposition to this idea.

(Though your notion that &quot;particularly Democrats&quot; mobilize an unreflecting electorate seems questionable.  --Gotta criticize something, man--this is the Internet!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post; I am reconsidering my kneejerk opposition to this idea.</p>
<p>(Though your notion that "particularly Democrats" mobilize an unreflecting electorate seems questionable.  --Gotta criticize something, man--this is the Internet!)</p>
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		<title>By: Signifying Nothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Signifying Nothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A dissertation in a thousand words or less...&lt;/strong&gt;

In this post, I think I hit on the major theme of my dissertation and distill the last 50 years of research on political expertise into a nice little soundbite, even though the post is obstensibly about the Arizona voter lottery ballot proposition. (I,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A dissertation in a thousand words or less...</strong></p>
<p>In this post, I think I hit on the major theme of my dissertation and distill the last 50 years of research on political expertise into a nice little soundbite, even though the post is obstensibly about the Arizona voter lottery ballot proposition. (I,...</p>
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		<title>By:  Jens 'n' Frens</title>
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		<dc:creator> Jens 'n' Frens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Really, what&#039;s dumber? Nominating John Kerry for President on &quot;electability&quot; grounds? Giving the Sudetenland to the Germans? Financing &quot;flake.com&quot;, a &quot;cereal portal&quot;? I&#039;m not convinced.  UPDATE: Chris Lawrence defends the plan.  UPDATE 2: It occurs to me that saying &quot;this is the dumbest idea ever&quot; and then &quot;Chris Lawrence defends it&quot;, without any retraction, may be construed as a slam on Lawrence, which I don&#039;t intend. I think he defends it surprisingly well (surprising for&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Really, what's dumber? Nominating John Kerry for President on "electability" grounds? Giving the Sudetenland to the Germans? Financing "flake.com", a "cereal portal"? I'm not convinced.  UPDATE: Chris Lawrence defends the plan.  UPDATE 2: It occurs to me that saying "this is the dumbest idea ever" and then "Chris Lawrence defends it", without any retraction, may be construed as a slam on Lawrence, which I don't intend. I think he defends it surprisingly well (surprising for<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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