Word is out that the NSA program discuss at the hospital was the “data mining” program not the wireless wiretapping program.

That is now the WH line. That is not what Comey says and he has far more credibility than Gonzales or the WH. Remember as well that the data mining program was part of the TSP and a part that Ashcroft was not opposed to.

And again this is not the only potential case of perjury that has come from Gonzales in these congressional hearings. He lied about whether or not there were divisions within the DoJ about warrantless surveillance. He said there weren't. There were. (About both data mining and warrantles wire tapping) He lied about conversations with other witnesses. He said he did not have any because he did not want to effect their testimony. According to Goodling he did talk to her about this before her testimony. He lied about violations of the Patriot Act by the FBI. He said there had been none. The FBI informed him that there had been numerous violations prior to his testimony.

Remember this event happen some time in the past when Gonzales wasn’t AG.

Likely there were more of these so call programs talk about. Many of the Intel gathering policies and efforts overlaps departments and programs.

Discontinued programs are generally replaced with other similar programs. Regardless there remains secret and sensitive information even after it has been discontinued,

Word is out that the NSA program discuss at the hospital was the “data mining” program not the wireless wiretapping program.

Interesting, where did you hear this? Also, wasn't this program disclosed and discontinued already? If so, why couldn't Gonzalez have mentioned it specifically?

Sounds like the statement wasn’t as specific as some has said.

t is a far cry from Mueller saying that Ashcrooft told him “we discuss the TSP in our discussion” type of statement. If Ashcroft did then Mueller should flat out say what Ashcroft said instead of these vague comments.

Um, lets read those statements again:

Jackson Lee sought to clarify: "We use 'TSP,' we use 'warrantless wiretapping,' so would I be comfortable in saying that those were the items that were part of the discussion?"
"The discussion was on a national NSA program that has been much discussed, yes," Mueller responded.

That's not what I would call vague.

If the program was "much discussed" you or I should be able to identify a likely candidate as well. I can't think of one and a quick and dirty Google search doesn't come up with anything. Can you enlighten us to what "much discussed" NSA program(s) was nearing expiration?

Sorry for all the "", but it is a rather important point that you have glossed over twice now.

Honestly if it were Clinton's AG, what would you be saying right now?

At the same time however, we have Reports from various news sources, who spoke with others that were in the meeting, who remember it precisely as Gonzalez put it forward. Including, interestingly enough, Nancy Pelosi.

By various news sources you apparently mean Fox "News" and powerline blog. The relevant passage in the fox account follows

And House Speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed that such a briefing had occurred, that Comey's objections had been discussed. Indeed, she said she agreed with Comey.

This in no way says she agrees with Gonzales that the meeting was not concerning the TSP. In fact the statement that she agreed with Comey who later went to the hospital in an attempt to block the actions of Gonzales indicates the the meeting was likely about the TSP.

first of all, I'd say on its face, that Gonzalez has far more in the way of credibility than does Jay Rockefeller

With whom?

Yes Mueller was in there minutes later but he wasn’t there. He did not specify that Ashcroft said TSP by word but was discussing a NSA program.

Ashcroft told Mueller that the meeting concerned “an NSA program that has been much discussed, yes.”
What other much discussed NSA program was near expiration?

This is not the only lie that may rise to the level of perjury that has come from Gonzales in these congressional hearings. He lied about whether or not there were divisions within the DoJ about warrantless surveillance. He said there weren't. There were. He lied about conversations with other witnesses. He said he did not have any because he did not want to effect their testimony. According to Goodling he did talk to her about this before her testimony. He lied about violations of the Patriot Act by the FBI that he had been informed about previous to his testimony.
At absolute best he is criminally incompetent with a memory like a sieve.

Bit, Wayne, GA, step back and be honest with yourselves for a moment. If this had been Janet Reno making these statements you would be among the first accusing her of lying and calling for her ouster and prosecution.

Its was more of a profuse complaint about your and every other liberals prolixity of blame upon a Conservative bogyman and what you seem to think is its profundity and then my prognosis of how you seek to promulgate it into being a propitiatory propensity of your Proliferating propagandism.

Jay-zus H. Key-rist! Do you have some grudge against the English language that you have to mangle it so?!?! I knew you dead-end 25%-ers had a grudge going against liberals and inconvenient facts and external reality and all the rest of it, but do you have to make war on our language, too?

Look, muddled speech is usually a symptom of muddled thinking. Seek help.

In light of the permanent (unelected) government of left-wing bureaucrats (see esp. the CIA, DOJ and State), it only makes sense for a Republican administration to do this.

Unfortunately, the Bush people are as incompetent at this as they are at everything else they have screwed-up.

Gonzalez- brain dead cipher, that he is - really is the poster boy for this collection of bumbling losers.

This gross incompetence will probably result in control of the government by the dem cong - to result in recession and retreat.

That is not what the quotes from the web site say. The quotes given are fuzzy at best. Yes Mueller was in there minutes later but he wasn’t there. He did not specify that Ashcroft said TSP by word but was discussing a NSA program. Perhaps Ashcroft said they were talking surveillance programs and Mueller interpret it to mean TSP. Maybe Aschroft misspoke to Mueller. Perhaps Mueller thought Jackson was referring to any surveillance in general when she was asking about TSP instead of a specific program. The possibilities go on an on.

I didn’t see the testimony this time and perhaps the MSM choose some bad examples for perjury case. However I see nothing in the statements given that shows perjury. Only those that read in much more into the situation then is given can make such wild accusations. Supposedly even the Senator that asks for independent counsel investigation doesn’t think there is much of a case. It is just another political stunt to feed the Lib lackeys so they can scream black helicopters conspiracies.

You probably one of those who think Bush blew up the WTC.

Oh, and by the way -- are you one of those deluded fools who's claiming that this lie is going well?!?

+++++On the assumption that you're making some prolix complaint about liberal bogeymen.+++++

Its was more of a profuse complaint about your and every other liberals prolixity of blame upon a Conservative bogyman and what you seem to think is its profundity and then my prognosis of how you seek to promulgate it into being a propitiatory propensity of your Proliferating propagandism.

What's confusing is your muddled partisanship. I guess there's a point in there somewhere, but I sure can't see it.

Mueller was evidently in the room "minutes later" to talk to Ashcroft about why Gonzales and Card had visited him. I'm not sure on the specifics, but it seems that Mueller was called because of the unusual nature of the visit.

Note that Mueller also said that, before he arrived on the scene, he gave orders to his FBI agents to disregard any orders from Gonzales to remove Ashcroft's deputy from Ashcroft's bedside. Mueller knew that Gonzales was up to something underhanded.

That said, I gotta admit, Gonzales is the perfect little toady representative for our future banana republic. I just wish he'd wear Ray-Bans when he's testifying.

If Mueller was not in the room during the discussion then his knowledge of what was discussing there is hearsay. That is even worst then he say he (she) say syndrome.

Mueller was evidently in the room "minutes later" to talk to Ashcroft about why Gonzales and Card had visited him. I'm not sure on the specifics, but it seems that Mueller was called because of the unusual nature of the visit.

Which was what Gonzales said.

Gonzales said that they did not talk about the NSA program that the President disclosed (TSA), but rather an unrelated classified intelligence program. Mueller testified that it was the NSA's program that was discussed, and that he agreed with Comey's testimony that the conversation was about TSA, and that there was indeed disagreement about the legality of TSA, contrary to Gonzales' testimony.