Also, I get sick and tired of those who hold the military (and our efforts to help) to utopian standards no one else has to meet. Yes, these were crimes, but, oh my, look, we are prosecuting them as crimes. How utterly bizarre and yet still non-exculpating of our intentions and worthiness! We've had 150,00 young men and women under a great deal of stress for several years and this is as bad as it gets? Folks like Triumph apparently haven't a frickin' clue when it comes to what is generally called "the human condition." What other group of people could accomplish so much and endure so long with so few actual atrocities?

By all means we should set high standards and do our best to adhere to them. What I'd ask Blue Texan is why he never trumpets any of the good things that happens in Iraq from the rooftops on occasion, instead of imagining that only bad news can flow from the American liberation of Iraq, or is consistency and intellectual honesty only something required of the Right? The tired trope he's hawking is long past its sell by date.

Where have all the honest brokers gone?

In war, bad things happen and some innocent lives are lost. In Iraq today, most of the deaths we are reading about are in fact cold blooded premeditated murder perpetrated by Iraqis on other Iraqis. These are under any reasonable definition "war crimes". They are not now being apprehended and prosecuted so far as we know by Iraqi government forces in any great numbers.

If indeed these troops are found guilty as charged of unpremeditated murder in Haditha, they will not be guilty of any "war crime".

If the evidence supported a charged "war crime", Article 118a of the UCMJ would have been charged, given the publicity which is shining on this case. Your overwrought discription of this incident is not supported by the facts thus far developed. Why not wait until the testimony is taken before making your pronouncements of guilt.

Had the Iraq War been the Just War to End All Just Wars, Haditha might well have happened. It's horrific and the perpetrators should be punished but atrocities sometimes happen in war.

It was one of many war crimes committed by US troops within the context of the war and is further evidence of the criminal neglegence that has been the legacy of Bush's foolish decision making. The Massacre at Haditha would never had happened had Bush not made such an idiotic decision to invade Iraq and Younis Salim Khafif (44) ,Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali (76), Khamisa Tuma Ali (66), Abdullah Ali (4), Iman Ali (8), Adul Rahman Ali (5), Asia Ali (2 months), Adea Yasin Ahmed (41), Ahmed Kafif (8), Marwan Ahmed, Qahtan Ahmed, Chasib Ahmed, Jamal Ahmed, Khalid Ayada al-Zawi, Wajdi Ayada al-Zawi, Mohammed Battal Mahmoud and Akram Hamid Flayeh, and Ahmed Khidher would likely still be alive.

War cheerleaders like James certainly don't have to post about efforts to bring war criminals to justice on their own blogs; but I am sure they understand that support for misguided policies have tragic consequences.

That is lay term shorthand for participating in premeditated murder.

The charges in this case are for "unpremeditated murder".

Apparently, the evidence did not support charges for premeditated murder, or they surely would have been filed.

Murtha prejudged the case and was wrong. For that he deserved the censure to which he was subjected.

Mobius Dick is Glenn Reynolds aka Instapundit.

First I've heard of that. From the link at UT, it would seem he's someone named Tristram Shandy.

Seconded. Take that American fellow, Vance, who was incarcerated for months in Iraq. Normally the kind of thing I'd be all over, but between work & Xmas, I'm a bit jaded: "denial of basic rights of citizens ... yup ... nothing new here."

As for Mr. Plunk, sure, soldiers snap sometimes. So do civilians. We don't exonerate the latter on that basis. And for the officers to cover up the incident, as some of them are charged with doing, is inexcusable even on that basis.

And I confess, I find it utterly mysterious how we hurt ourselves by publicizing our determination to bring murderers to justice. Like the Iraqi people didn't know about the Haditha massacre when it happened?

The people Mr. Plunk wants to keep in the dark, apparently, are U.S. citizens. No, thanks -- there are plenty of other countries we could live in, if that's how we cared to be treated. I like this one.

So the Marine Corps has charged four members of the Haditha Marines with murder. As I said on May 17th: Now if these Marines did in fact murder these innocent people then they should all be hung and quartered. They......

I am uneasy with the coverage of this incident. Throughout wars there have been atrocities such as alleged and they are awful. We must, however, remember that we send in troops who are being shot at, bombed, and killed on a daily basis. People will snap and people will die. The military will deal with these incidents and punishment will be given. But how much does this feed the insurgency? How much does it create hostility toward Americans? And by contrast how much does it help prevent further incidents by trying the case in the press?

Weighing all of these factors I would prefer a more internal handling of military trials of war crimes such as those alleged. Proper oversight would be necessary but not that hard to provide. By keeping these more within the confines of the military we serve ourselves on the battlefield of the press where we generally aren't being given a fair shake and generally lose. Make no mistake the war in the press is hurting us in the battlefield of Iraq.

I disagree with you that the filing of formal charges of murder against Marines somehow isnt news. But I agree that you are not in any sense required to post about it.

But if you had gone out of your way to trash Murtha and others (as the nutty sites did), then I think there would be some requirement to acknowledge that he was right and you (they) were wrong. You know, the accountability thing....that those sites love to apply to everyone else but themselves.

A verdict is news to everyone else.