But never learned that lesson until he got his butt kicked in a rather decisive fashion. Funny; once that happened, the friends around him giving him legitimacy, kinda shrank away.

But there was never any question about Israel's ability to harm Hamas, or really any question about Hama's ability to pose an existential threat to Israel. And I don't see any of Hamas' international supporters shrinking away because of it, if Hamas is no longer in the fight they'll just find someone else to back.

Delivering a crushing blow to Hamas won't up-end this situation like it did with your friend.

There is a difference between self defense and The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

which is what they are doing in Gaza!!!

Good golly,

The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group, dude why, ain't this what most Arabs try to do to Jews,not to mention all the countries who have tried to do it to the Jews, and what liberals do to babies.

-The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group-. hmm.........

Lets examine that situation.

Yes, let's.

Said bully had little to gain by continuing violence, and it turns out much to lose.

But never learned that lesson until he got his butt kicked in a rather decisive fashion. Funny; once that happened, the friends around him giving him legitimacy, kinda shrank away.

Any more questions?

Had a buddy in high school who used to get beat up and otherwise harrased as a matter of routine. Finally, one day, he said 'that's enough' and proceeded to retaliate. Turns out, he was better with his fists than he'd led himself to think. And guess what? The nonsense stopped. Obviusly, the reason for that was that they didnt want retaliation happening to them. Kept the peace for the remainder of the high schol years. He even got fairly freindly with a few of them.

Lets examine that situation. Said bully had little to gain by continuing violence, and it turns out much to lose. Said friend had little left to lose by resorting to violence,and much to gain by doing so.

In regards to the situation in the middle east, Hamas has little left to lose from the violence, and much to potentially gain. Israel, on the other hand, doesn't have much left to gain, and stands to lose quite a bit.

The only difference is that, in your situation, the ending of violence was the goal of your friend, while it is not the goal of Hamas.

Lets suppose that said bully had, over the years, taken a significant amount of lunch money from your friend. Now, once your friend decides to fight back, he is no longer willing to stop if the bully stops, he decides he will keep fighting him until he repays all that lunch money.

Please explain.

Had a buddy in high school who used to get beat up and otherwise harrased as a matter of routine. Finally, one day, he said 'that's enough' and proceeded to retaliate. Turns out, he was better with his fists than he'd led himself to think. And guess what? The nonsense stopped. Obviusly, the reason for that was that they didnt want retaliation happening to them. Kept the peace for the remainder of the high schol years. He even got fairly freindly with a few of them.

There is a difference between self defense and genocide which is what they are doing in Gaza!!!

The context of that statement can be found on any stable floor, though in lesser amounts.

How many peple considering genocide, call the people in the places they're about to attack, letting them know they're going to do so? Sounds to me like they're hoping to minimise civilian casualties. That hardly strikes me as anything like genocide.

As opposed to Hamas, who simply lobs missiles willy nilly into Israel. And you charge Israel with genocide? Do you actually think about this stuff or are you simply saying what your pals are telling you to say?

There is a difference between self defense and genocide which is what they are doing in Gaza!!!

Apparently, the entire concept of dealing from a position of strength has given you a total slip.

Please explain.

It is long past time for us to disabuse ourselves of the notion that this business with Israel and its neighbors is going to come to some kind of mutually agreeable end, anytime soon without the full weight of warfare being brought to bear against the Palestinians.

I don't suppose that Israel's other neighbors are going to just say "oh well" when Israel completely subjugates Palestine. Either there will be genocide that will require direct confrontation, or there will be refugees that will require their continued opposition. Since no Arab country is going to incorporate dispersed Palestinians into their national identity, this would not end Israel's problem with them.

Perhaps their big mistake was made in 1967, by not deporting all inhabitants of all land taken, instead of wasting decades trying to accommodate their mortal enemies within their borders?

They wouldn't have had to deport them, they could have incorporated them. The Palestinians are not the Israeli's mortal enemy, they lived together for decades in relative peace prior to the creation of the state of Israel. If it weren't for the two-state solution that defined and divided them, they could still be living together peacefully.

Do you really believe that Israel has no right to self defense? Perhaps their big mistake was made in 1967, by not deporting all inhabitants of all land taken, instead of wasting decades trying to accommodate their mortal enemies within their borders?

Ding,Ding,Ding,Ding,Ding!!!
We have a winner!

It is long past time for us to disabuse ourselves of the notion that this business with Israel and its neighbors is going to come to some kind of mutually agreeable end, anytime soon without the full weight of warfare being brought to bear against the Palestinians. It’s time to dismiss the notion that civilization is going to ultimately have any sway whatever over a group of people who insist on remaining in the fourteenth century and who are by their own words willing to kill a thousand of their own people for the purpose of killing one Jew

So, I really don't have any time for this constant support of Israel at all costs, their lives are no more important than the Palestinian people.

dude why? This is not a game, like us they use so much restraint that it is foolish in the name of fighting a PC war with a mortal enemy.

and to say that we should not support Israel at all costs, man were could you be coming from with that?

and to say their lives not being more important is a strawman from the depths of irrationality.

what you are trying to say is that Israel is not as important as any one else, lol please find some true world history and read it.

They bend over backwards not to kill bystanders, as do we, how about the guys you are so worried about, me thinks not.

Iran is exerting heavy pressure on Hamas not to accept the Egyptian proposal for a cease-fire with Israel, an Egyptian government official said on Sunday.

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The Egyptian official said that the two Iranian emissaries, Ali Larijani, Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, and Said Jalili of the Iranian Intelligence Service, met in the Syrian capital with Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal and Islamic Jihad Secretary-General Ramadan Shallah.

"As soon as the Iranians heard about the Egyptian cease-fire initiative, they dispatched the two officials to Damascus on an urgent mission to warn the Palestinians against accepting it," the Egyptian government official told the Post.

"The Iranians threatened to stop weapons supplies and funding to the Palestinian factions if they agreed to a cease-fire with Israel. The Iranians want to fight Israel and the US indirectly. They are doing this through Hamas in Palestine and Hizbullah in Lebanon".