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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hamdans_light_sentence_/comment-page-1/#comment-492769</link>
		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James forgot to include the information that the so-called judge spoke Arabic in a military courtroom to the scum, Hamdan.

This is further evidence of how the liberal Congress has weakened the military.  If you didn&#039;t have treasonous senators like Hussein and Kennedy trying to destroy our troops, you wouldn&#039;t have spineless, activist judges like Allred showing sympathy for the evildoers.

Luckily, Allread&#039;s decision is meaningless since Bush can still keep Hamdan in custody even after his &quot;sentence&quot; is served.

Of course, if Hussein gets elected he will just let loose all of the terrorists on his first day in office.  This is why we need to insure that Bush dissolves Congress in early January should Hussein win the election.  That way, the electoral college will be unable to meet and Bush will have to extend his reign.


The only way for freedom and liberty to be preserved will be for Bush to maintain his rule after his term expires.  Otherwise, criminals like Hamdan will resume their terrorist ways</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James forgot to include the information that the so-called judge spoke Arabic in a military courtroom to the scum, Hamdan.</p>
<p>This is further evidence of how the liberal Congress has weakened the military.  If you didn't have treasonous senators like Hussein and Kennedy trying to destroy our troops, you wouldn't have spineless, activist judges like Allred showing sympathy for the evildoers.</p>
<p>Luckily, Allread's decision is meaningless since Bush can still keep Hamdan in custody even after his "sentence" is served.</p>
<p>Of course, if Hussein gets elected he will just let loose all of the terrorists on his first day in office.  This is why we need to insure that Bush dissolves Congress in early January should Hussein win the election.  That way, the electoral college will be unable to meet and Bush will have to extend his reign.</p>
<p>The only way for freedom and liberty to be preserved will be for Bush to maintain his rule after his term expires.  Otherwise, criminals like Hamdan will resume their terrorist ways</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Sorry Sam. Ugh, I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Sorry Sam. Ugh, I meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hamdans_light_sentence_/comment-page-1/#comment-492705</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mostly, I think, it&#039;s just a matter of both sides generally ignoring stories that don&#039;t fit their narrative.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mmmphff. 
Or perhaps they&#039;ve just not figured out how to spin it to their advantage yet... how to make it fit their narrative... as an example the exchange between Sam and myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mostly, I think, it's just a matter of both sides generally ignoring stories that don't fit their narrative.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mmmphff.<br />
Or perhaps they've just not figured out how to spin it to their advantage yet... how to make it fit their narrative... as an example the exchange between Sam and myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hamdans_light_sentence_/comment-page-1/#comment-492699</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or one could point to this as evidence that the Bush administration is so incompetent that it can&#039;t even get show trials right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or perhaps it indicates they&#039;re not the monsters some would like to make them out as.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or one could point to this as evidence that the Bush administration is so incompetent that it can't even get show trials right.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or perhaps it indicates they're not the monsters some would like to make them out as.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.justicetalking.org/blogs/day10/default.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On kangaroos and courts&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;On May 9th, Navy Captain Keith Allred, a military judge at the U.S. prison camp in GuantanamoBay, ruled that Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann must remove himself from any involvement in the prosecution of Salim Hamdan, Osama bin Laden’s former body guard and personal driver. The ruling against the Office of Military Commission’s top legal advisor came after another military commission judge, Judge Peter Brownback, heard testimony by Col. Morris Davis, the former chief prosecutor at Guantanamo, that Gen. Hartmann had promoted the politicization of the military tribunal process. Ironically, the order bars Gen. Hartmann, who was previously appointed to provide “neutral, independent” advice to the tribunal, from any further contact with the prosecution in the Hamdan case.

Based largely on testimony from Col. Davis, Captain Allred found that Gen. Hartmann had repeatedly overstepped his authority and engaged in improper conduct. &lt;em&gt;In his 13-page opinion, Captain Allred wrote that Gen. Hartmann told Col. Davis that “certain types of cases would be tried, and that others would not be tried, because of political factors such as whether they would capture the imagination of the American people, be sexy, or involve blood on the hands of the accused.”&lt;/em&gt; [My emphasis]

Captain Allred also found that Gen. Hartmann compromised his supposedly objective position by “appearing to direct, or attempting to direct” Col. Davis to use tainted evidence that may have been gathered as the result of “torture or coercion.” Contravening his statutory authority, Gen. Hartmann also intended to personally conduct pretrial agreement negotiations without consulting the trial counsel.

Captain Allred concluded that Gen. Hartmann failed to provide “the required independence from the prosecution function to provide fair and objective legal advice to the [court].” As consequence, he removed Gen. Hartmann from the Hamdan case and ordered that a substitute Legal Advisor – excluding any deputies or subordinates to Gen. Hartmann – be appointed for the remainder of the proceedings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe the court just figured, given all the shenanigans that went on down at Gitmo, that this was the most they could do in good conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://communities.justicetalking.org/blogs/day10/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">On kangaroos and courts</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>On May 9th, Navy Captain Keith Allred, a military judge at the U.S. prison camp in GuantanamoBay, ruled that Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann must remove himself from any involvement in the prosecution of Salim Hamdan, Osama bin Laden&rsquo;s former body guard and personal driver. The ruling against the Office of Military Commission&rsquo;s top legal advisor came after another military commission judge, Judge Peter Brownback, heard testimony by Col. Morris Davis, the former chief prosecutor at Guantanamo, that Gen. Hartmann had promoted the politicization of the military tribunal process. Ironically, the order bars Gen. Hartmann, who was previously appointed to provide “neutral, independent” advice to the tribunal, from any further contact with the prosecution in the Hamdan case.</p>
<p>Based largely on testimony from Col. Davis, Captain Allred found that Gen. Hartmann had repeatedly overstepped his authority and engaged in improper conduct. <em>In his 13-page opinion, Captain Allred wrote that Gen. Hartmann told Col. Davis that “certain types of cases would be tried, and that others would not be tried, because of political factors such as whether they would capture the imagination of the American people, be sexy, or involve blood on the hands of the accused.”</em> [My emphasis]</p>
<p>Captain Allred also found that Gen. Hartmann compromised his supposedly objective position by “appearing to direct, or attempting to direct” Col. Davis to use tainted evidence that may have been gathered as the result of “torture or coercion.” Contravening his statutory authority, Gen. Hartmann also intended to personally conduct pretrial agreement negotiations without consulting the trial counsel.</p>
<p>Captain Allred concluded that Gen. Hartmann failed to provide “the required independence from the prosecution function to provide fair and objective legal advice to the [court].” As consequence, he removed Gen. Hartmann from the Hamdan case and ordered that a substitute Legal Advisor – excluding any deputies or subordinates to Gen. Hartmann – be appointed for the remainder of the proceedings.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe the court just figured, given all the shenanigans that went on down at Gitmo, that this was the most they could do in good conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or one could point to this as evidence that the Bush administration is so incompetent that it can&#039;t even get show trials right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or one could point to this as evidence that the Bush administration is so incompetent that it can't even get show trials right.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Their stunned silence seems an indication that it was far lighter a sentence than even THEY wanted&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mostly, I think, it&#039;s just a matter of both sides generally ignoring stories that don&#039;t fit their narrative.

(I should note that Anderson mentioned it in the comments of the previous post last night; I just didn&#039;t get around to posting on it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Their stunned silence seems an indication that it was far lighter a sentence than even THEY wanted</p></blockquote>
<p>Mostly, I think, it's just a matter of both sides generally ignoring stories that don't fit their narrative.</p>
<p>(I should note that Anderson mentioned it in the comments of the previous post last night; I just didn't get around to posting on it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Snicker)

Funny thing; I&#039;ve not seen much from the left on this one, yet. Their stunned silence seems an indication that it was far lighter a sentence than even THEY wanted, but after all the defense put up for the man by them, they dare not say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Snicker)</p>
<p>Funny thing; I've not seen much from the left on this one, yet. Their stunned silence seems an indication that it was far lighter a sentence than even THEY wanted, but after all the defense put up for the man by them, they dare not say so.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamdan and Military Tribunals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamdan and Military Tribunals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their orders ignored the prosecutor&#8217;s appeal for the maximum penalty of life in prison and sentenced Hamdan to time served plus five months. It just goes to show how clever they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their orders ignored the prosecutor&#8217;s appeal for the maximum penalty of life in prison and sentenced Hamdan to time served plus five months. It just goes to show how clever they [...]</p>
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