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		<title>By: Tlaloc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tlaloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart aches.

Of course I&#039;m sure he wasn&#039;t one of the idiots that crashed our economy, no that was the other wall street guys.

&amp;^%$ him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart aches.</p>
<p>Of course I'm sure he wasn't one of the idiots that crashed our economy, no that was the other wall street guys.</p>
<p>&amp;^%$ him.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I agree with Michael, this is the pernicious effects of specialization.  I&#039;m sympathetic, but I&#039;m more sympathetic to the guy or gal who couldn&#039;t get whatever job the trader&#039;s taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree with Michael, this is the pernicious effects of specialization.  I'm sympathetic, but I'm more sympathetic to the guy or gal who couldn't get whatever job the trader's taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And of course supporting the lifestyle is the issue... or at least being able to keep up with the bills and payments imposed during the former role.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d use the word &quot;imposed&quot;, certainly there was a great degree of choice in the debts he incurred.

By the way, do you want us to call you Eric now or Bithead still?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And of course supporting the lifestyle is the issue... or at least being able to keep up with the bills and payments imposed during the former role.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure I'd use the word "imposed", certainly there was a great degree of choice in the debts he incurred.</p>
<p>By the way, do you want us to call you Eric now or Bithead still?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If that&#039;s all he can do either a) he was enormously overpaid in his prior job or b) the issue is not finding a job but supporting his lifestyle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Or c) he was very good at what he did, but what he did doesn&#039;t transfer well to other professions.

Seriously, what other jobs would look at &quot;crude oil trader&quot; as good work experience?  And out of that small handful, how many of them are located outside of Manhattan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If that's all he can do either a) he was enormously overpaid in his prior job or b) the issue is not finding a job but supporting his lifestyle.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or c) he was very good at what he did, but what he did doesn't transfer well to other professions.</p>
<p>Seriously, what other jobs would look at "crude oil trader" as good work experience?  And out of that small handful, how many of them are located outside of Manhattan?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself somewhere between Dave and Bit.

To Dave&#039;s point, I have no sympathy to the degree the guy entered a highly volatile line of work and is not willing to - for example - move, given his realities.  Similarly, I have no sympathy for the laid off $40K worker who says &quot;there ain&#039;t no jobs&quot; when what they really mean is &quot;there ain&#039;t no jobs I want to do within a 50 mile radius.&quot;  Big difference.  To his point:  these are choices.

Bit tempers those remarks by noting that this guy is a specialist.  The market may return.  And if he is to return to what he does best in a couple years, Dubuque, Iowa ain&#039;t the place to be located.  He needs to get by in the interim.  But please, no tears.  

I don&#039;t mean to be self indulgent here, with a life story.  But..... as a first out of college job I worked in a steel mill (Metallurgical Engineer).  Thinking this was not exactly the best place to fulfill my career Karma (brilliant, eh?) I subsequently put myself through two serious graduate schools.  Spending all I&#039;d previously saved, basically dedicating my 20&#039;s to education instead of the pleasures and vices I saw my friends immersed in.....and graduating without the proverbial pot to piss in, off I went.  Fast forward: I eventually found my way into private equity investing, lived to tell about it, and have reaped the attendant rewards.    

The point??  Its a high stakes game of poker when people make high beta career and related decisions. If you go for the gold, you should get the rewards.  (All you spread the wealth lefties.)  But if you lose, and wind up with your face in the shixt....no tears.  You took your chances.

And if you are one those who didn&#039;t want to take the risks, but envy the material gains of those who did?  Shut up.  You made your choices.  No tears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself somewhere between Dave and Bit.</p>
<p>To Dave's point, I have no sympathy to the degree the guy entered a highly volatile line of work and is not willing to - for example - move, given his realities.  Similarly, I have no sympathy for the laid off $40K worker who says "there ain't no jobs" when what they really mean is "there ain't no jobs I want to do within a 50 mile radius."  Big difference.  To his point:  these are choices.</p>
<p>Bit tempers those remarks by noting that this guy is a specialist.  The market may return.  And if he is to return to what he does best in a couple years, Dubuque, Iowa ain't the place to be located.  He needs to get by in the interim.  But please, no tears.  </p>
<p>I don't mean to be self indulgent here, with a life story.  But..... as a first out of college job I worked in a steel mill (Metallurgical Engineer).  Thinking this was not exactly the best place to fulfill my career Karma (brilliant, eh?) I subsequently put myself through two serious graduate schools.  Spending all I'd previously saved, basically dedicating my 20's to education instead of the pleasures and vices I saw my friends immersed in.....and graduating without the proverbial pot to piss in, off I went.  Fast forward: I eventually found my way into private equity investing, lived to tell about it, and have reaped the attendant rewards.    </p>
<p>The point??  Its a high stakes game of poker when people make high beta career and related decisions. If you go for the gold, you should get the rewards.  (All you spread the wealth lefties.)  But if you lose, and wind up with your face in the shixt....no tears.  You took your chances.</p>
<p>And if you are one those who didn't want to take the risks, but envy the material gains of those who did?  Shut up.  You made your choices.  No tears.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane &#187; Guy loses job, gets worse one, unhappy about it.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane &#187; Guy loses job, gets worse one, unhappy about it.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Welcome, Outside the Beltway readers. I actually didn&#8217;t even consider the tip [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Welcome, Outside the Beltway readers. I actually didn&#8217;t even consider the tip [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have no sympathy for him whatever. If that&#039;s all he can do either a) he was enormously overpaid in his prior job or b) the issue is not finding a job but supporting his lifestyle&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suspect the issue is both, Dave. The role he was in is likely one of the more * verticalized jobs in the world... only a handful of people know how to do it effectively, and there&#039;s somewhat less call for it, than there are people who can fill it, recently.

Moving likely isn&#039;t an option for several reasons, not least of which being that&#039;s where  jobs in the line of work he was trained in, and apaprently performed well at, are most pletiful.

I&#039;m hip to a lot of that, having been in a fairly vertical job situation most of my life. 

*Vertical, by my lights: Narrow interest, very specialized work, highly paid because onlya few people can do it really well.

And of course supporting the lifestyle is the issue... or at least being able to keep up with the bills and payments imposed during the former role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have no sympathy for him whatever. If that's all he can do either a) he was enormously overpaid in his prior job or b) the issue is not finding a job but supporting his lifestyle</p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect the issue is both, Dave. The role he was in is likely one of the more * verticalized jobs in the world... only a handful of people know how to do it effectively, and there's somewhat less call for it, than there are people who can fill it, recently.</p>
<p>Moving likely isn't an option for several reasons, not least of which being that's where  jobs in the line of work he was trained in, and apaprently performed well at, are most pletiful.</p>
<p>I'm hip to a lot of that, having been in a fairly vertical job situation most of my life. </p>
<p>*Vertical, by my lights: Narrow interest, very specialized work, highly paid because onlya few people can do it really well.</p>
<p>And of course supporting the lifestyle is the issue... or at least being able to keep up with the bills and payments imposed during the former role.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Maybe this is why I always get a kick out of those &lt;a href=&quot;http://odograph.com/?p=887&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Millionaire In A Prius&lt;/a&gt; stories.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Maybe this is why I always get a kick out of those <a href="http://odograph.com/?p=887" rel="nofollow">Millionaire In A Prius</a> stories.)</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an example of how higher income brings higher employment risk.  The higher the income the harder it is to replace.  That&#039;s why they suggest that executives keep more &quot;months&quot; in emergency funds than factory workers.

Note to the kids, if you get that flush job, bank a good portion of it &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; you take risks that require continued high income (like $800K mortgages).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's an example of how higher income brings higher employment risk.  The higher the income the harder it is to replace.  That's why they suggest that executives keep more "months" in emergency funds than factory workers.</p>
<p>Note to the kids, if you get that flush job, bank a good portion of it <i>before</i> you take risks that require continued high income (like $800K mortgages).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no sympathy for him whatever.  If that&#039;s all he can do either a) he was enormously overpaid in his prior job or b) the issue is not finding a job but supporting his lifestyle.   Is he unwilling to move?  Perhaps his wife has a decent job and she&#039;s reluctant to move to somewhere he might be able to find a job.  Those are choices not necessities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no sympathy for him whatever.  If that's all he can do either a) he was enormously overpaid in his prior job or b) the issue is not finding a job but supporting his lifestyle.   Is he unwilling to move?  Perhaps his wife has a decent job and she's reluctant to move to somewhere he might be able to find a job.  Those are choices not necessities.</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article said that he was a &#039;host&#039;, not a waiter, but that may not actually be a different thing.

That said, he probably does have a salary of $25K, &lt;em&gt;before tips&lt;/em&gt;. So, the article is truthful in its quest for pity. It may be less than truthful in not disclosing he &lt;em&gt;income&lt;/em&gt;, however, if that does include tips.

If he is indeed a &#039;host&#039;, then he might not get tips other than the occasional $20 slipped to him for a better table. He may or may not partake in tip-splitting (I don&#039;t know The Palm&#039;s practice). 

So, it is possible that he has a poorly-paid staff job. If so, that&#039;s definitely a come-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article said that he was a 'host', not a waiter, but that may not actually be a different thing.</p>
<p>That said, he probably does have a salary of $25K, <em>before tips</em>. So, the article is truthful in its quest for pity. It may be less than truthful in not disclosing he <em>income</em>, however, if that does include tips.</p>
<p>If he is indeed a 'host', then he might not get tips other than the occasional $20 slipped to him for a better table. He may or may not partake in tip-splitting (I don't know The Palm's practice). </p>
<p>So, it is possible that he has a poorly-paid staff job. If so, that's definitely a come-down.</p>
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