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		<title>By: Suased</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84749</link>
		<dc:creator>Suased</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Great fancies of Soviet intentions&#039;</description>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84717</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pal, believe whatever you want.  Have a nice life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pal, believe whatever you want.  Have a nice life.</p>
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		<title>By: Sed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 23:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sun Microsystems to cut up to 5,000 jobs By DAN GOODIN, AP Technology Writer 
51 minutes ago

So, backbone SUN because they would&#039;nt worry about the other computer platform(what most missed about the conference-the thinking is SUN was a &#039;sell&#039;) that hooks into the backbone, possibly SUN-there would be less worry about the conference or, like the phone company(depending if NSA uses the DIA the same company backbone as the phone company)there is then voip. 

&#039;Inherent in all forms of VoIP is revolutionary change, whereby much of the existing telephony infrastructure will be replaced by novel IP-based mechanisms&#039;(http://www.rad.com/Article/0,6583,13878,00.html),&#039; 

which may or may not run on the telephone company backbone, either the same company providing the backbone or not at DIA, voip may have its own backbone within the internet(2) free of the current internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Microsystems to cut up to 5,000 jobs By DAN GOODIN, AP Technology Writer<br />
51 minutes ago</p>
<p>So, backbone SUN because they would'nt worry about the other computer platform(what most missed about the conference-the thinking is SUN was a 'sell') that hooks into the backbone, possibly SUN-there would be less worry about the conference or, like the phone company(depending if NSA uses the DIA the same company backbone as the phone company)there is then voip. </p>
<p>'Inherent in all forms of VoIP is revolutionary change, whereby much of the existing telephony infrastructure will be replaced by novel IP-based mechanisms'(http://www.rad.com/Article/0,6583,13878,00.html),' </p>
<p>which may or may not run on the telephone company backbone, either the same company providing the backbone or not at DIA, voip may have its own backbone within the internet(2) free of the current internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Suased</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84681</link>
		<dc:creator>Suased</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 20:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC,

There is another system being sold other than SUN.  SUN was very popular.  The levels of access may be based on where someone is or what they are doing, rather than &#039;rank&#039; to access ALL classfied levels and systems that DOD uses.  That is a big change considering CIA analysts are going to DIA and the operations officers at CIA can still run around doing the coups in America they were so well trained to do............................but, anyway what you may have missed is USAID is ALSO &#039;coming out&#039; in &#039;a&#039; new platform, but seperate because they really are&#039;nt CIA(perhaps just the money from CIA) and, supposedly Al Quaeda has someting to do with the original CIA computer name and, now, are we going to see this at USAID?...................still not sure....may be a link here.......anyway...........It&#039;s a laptop party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC,</p>
<p>There is another system being sold other than SUN.  SUN was very popular.  The levels of access may be based on where someone is or what they are doing, rather than 'rank' to access ALL classfied levels and systems that DOD uses.  That is a big change considering CIA analysts are going to DIA and the operations officers at CIA can still run around doing the coups in America they were so well trained to do............................but, anyway what you may have missed is USAID is ALSO 'coming out' in 'a' new platform, but seperate because they really are'nt CIA(perhaps just the money from CIA) and, supposedly Al Quaeda has someting to do with the original CIA computer name and, now, are we going to see this at USAID?...................still not sure....may be a link here.......anyway...........It's a laptop party!</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84671</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 20:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;DC, itâ��s all there on the internet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; convinced! God knows I&#039;ve &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; seen anything on the Internet that wasn&#039;t true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>DC, itâ��s all there on the internet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, <i>I'm</i> convinced! God knows I've <i>never</i> seen anything on the Internet that wasn't true!</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84658</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 19:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I did run across some information that sheds some light on what Saused was saying.  It only goes to show a little knowledge, out of context, is a dangerous thing.  If you don&#039;t know what DoDIIS is, it&#039;s understandable to think something sinister is going on.  All that is related to the DoD portion of the intelligence community&#039;s classified computer network backbone.  It&#039;s what the IC uses to do work and communicate with each other.  Do a google for dodiis.  I was wrong about DIA not getting anything from Sun.  Apparently Sun is the primary vendor for a new terminal, called the DoDIIS Trusted Work Station (again, google for DoDIIS trusted work station for more info).  It&#039;s just being introduced to some portions of the community, parts of DIA being one of the first.  IMHO, it&#039;s a work in progress and doesn&#039;t work very well.  Maybe it will be better as time goes on  It&#039;s just a newer workstation that was supposed to combine all the different level of classified systems that DoD IC uses into one platform.  Sounds like a great idea.  However, the execution does leave somethings to be desired.  Again, nothing sinister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I did run across some information that sheds some light on what Saused was saying.  It only goes to show a little knowledge, out of context, is a dangerous thing.  If you don't know what DoDIIS is, it's understandable to think something sinister is going on.  All that is related to the DoD portion of the intelligence community's classified computer network backbone.  It's what the IC uses to do work and communicate with each other.  Do a google for dodiis.  I was wrong about DIA not getting anything from Sun.  Apparently Sun is the primary vendor for a new terminal, called the DoDIIS Trusted Work Station (again, google for DoDIIS trusted work station for more info).  It's just being introduced to some portions of the community, parts of DIA being one of the first.  IMHO, it's a work in progress and doesn't work very well.  Maybe it will be better as time goes on  It's just a newer workstation that was supposed to combine all the different level of classified systems that DoD IC uses into one platform.  Sounds like a great idea.  However, the execution does leave somethings to be desired.  Again, nothing sinister.</p>
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		<title>By: Saused</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84646</link>
		<dc:creator>Saused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 18:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC, it&#039;s all there on the internet.

Terror Unvieled has nuts now.

Check map more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC, it's all there on the internet.</p>
<p>Terror Unvieled has nuts now.</p>
<p>Check map more.</p>
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		<title>By: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84644</link>
		<dc:creator>Zelsdorf Ragshaft III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 17:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CIA agents disloyal to the sitting government should be fired.  They are not suppose to leak information to the press, or anyone else.  Plame is a prime example.  She offered forth he husband, the liar, Joe Wilson to reseach &quot;the crazy idea&quot; that Iraq had tried to purchase uranium in Africa.  Wilson goes to one African country, comes back and says it didn&#039;t happen, except the Senate found that not to be true, judging by the liar Wilson&#039;s own report.  Since both Plame and Wilson supported Kerry in the 2004 election, one can only guess at their motivation for lying or trying to influence information as to what was found out.  If you work for the CIA, leave your politics at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CIA agents disloyal to the sitting government should be fired.  They are not suppose to leak information to the press, or anyone else.  Plame is a prime example.  She offered forth he husband, the liar, Joe Wilson to reseach "the crazy idea" that Iraq had tried to purchase uranium in Africa.  Wilson goes to one African country, comes back and says it didn't happen, except the Senate found that not to be true, judging by the liar Wilson's own report.  Since both Plame and Wilson supported Kerry in the 2004 election, one can only guess at their motivation for lying or trying to influence information as to what was found out.  If you work for the CIA, leave your politics at home.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84633</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re referring to that reference about DJIOCs, well, all I can say is that it&#039;s way off the mark.  As far as Sun having anything coming online at DIA, all I can say is, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you're referring to that reference about DJIOCs, well, all I can say is that it's way off the mark.  As far as Sun having anything coming online at DIA, all I can say is, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84631</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 16:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saused, you lost me there.  You got a name for this thing?  Is this part of DODIIS?  What system will it operate on?  So far from your description it sounds like a lot of names being thrown around with no substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saused, you lost me there.  You got a name for this thing?  Is this part of DODIIS?  What system will it operate on?  So far from your description it sounds like a lot of names being thrown around with no substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Tano</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84623</link>
		<dc:creator>Tano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 15:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... to soothe over the tensions created by Porter Gossâ?? sometimes wreckless attempt to shake up the CIA.&quot;

&quot;wreckless attempt to shake up the CIA&quot;???

Seems to me that his attempt was pretty reckless, but not at all &quot;wreck-less&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"... to soothe over the tensions created by Porter Gossâ?? sometimes wreckless attempt to shake up the CIA."</p>
<p>"wreckless attempt to shake up the CIA"???</p>
<p>Seems to me that his attempt was pretty reckless, but not at all "wreck-less".</p>
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		<title>By: Saused</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84621</link>
		<dc:creator>Saused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 15:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>District O&#039; Columbia,

Try looking up Terror Unveiled.  She and friend supposedly went to the DOD conference in PA.  There are alot of systems existing and coming on line which seem to indicate a real time total intelligence awareness computer and system.  It is going to DIA(Sun Microsystems) and seems to work well with a CIA analyst or, even, an operations officer(CIA) in the field giving and getting real time total intelligence awareness. 

The DOD sales party included the Director of DIA and Goss&#039; parties got leaked right around the same time, along with discusions Americans were having over the NSA programs that the CIA complained about during their undercover work on domestic political organizatins like the 501s Congress investigated.

I have&#039;nt checked the map here, so have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>District O' Columbia,</p>
<p>Try looking up Terror Unveiled.  She and friend supposedly went to the DOD conference in PA.  There are alot of systems existing and coming on line which seem to indicate a real time total intelligence awareness computer and system.  It is going to DIA(Sun Microsystems) and seems to work well with a CIA analyst or, even, an operations officer(CIA) in the field giving and getting real time total intelligence awareness. </p>
<p>The DOD sales party included the Director of DIA and Goss' parties got leaked right around the same time, along with discusions Americans were having over the NSA programs that the CIA complained about during their undercover work on domestic political organizatins like the 501s Congress investigated.</p>
<p>I have'nt checked the map here, so have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another possibility is that given he is taking over from a guy who hit the hornets nest, is that he is going to make public statements to quiet the hornets. Let&#039;s see some substantive actions (or in action as the case may be) on specific issues before deciding what he is going to do.

This reminds me a bit of the Kremlinologist who would weave great fancies of soviet intentions based on who was standing next to who and which direction they turned their head to cough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possibility is that given he is taking over from a guy who hit the hornets nest, is that he is going to make public statements to quiet the hornets. Let's see some substantive actions (or in action as the case may be) on specific issues before deciding what he is going to do.</p>
<p>This reminds me a bit of the Kremlinologist who would weave great fancies of soviet intentions based on who was standing next to who and which direction they turned their head to cough.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hayden_following_powell_model_at_cia/comment-page-1/#comment-84609</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hayden didâ??nt plan the integration of the CIA ananlysts at NSA/DIA before he was hired and it does not reflect itself in the new military intelligence computer platform. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please enlighten me as to what you are referring to here?  What new MI computer system?  I&#039;m interested to hear this as I have some interest in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hayden didâ??nt plan the integration of the CIA ananlysts at NSA/DIA before he was hired and it does not reflect itself in the new military intelligence computer platform. </p></blockquote>
<p>Please enlighten me as to what you are referring to here?  What new MI computer system?  I'm interested to hear this as I have some interest in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Suased</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suased</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we&#039;ll stick with the paychecks and the pension, then.  Okay, Hayden did&#039;nt plan the integration of the CIA ananlysts at NSA/DIA before he was hired and it does not reflect itself in the new military intelligence computer platform.  

Must say, did&#039;nt check my map.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we'll stick with the paychecks and the pension, then.  Okay, Hayden did'nt plan the integration of the CIA ananlysts at NSA/DIA before he was hired and it does not reflect itself in the new military intelligence computer platform.  </p>
<p>Must say, did'nt check my map.........</p>
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