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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1047414</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
If SS can be sustained in isolation why single it out for consideration rather than simply saying that we must look at the whole budget?
When you simply state that we have to look at Medicare and SS it looks more like you have an axe to grind rather than simply saying that due to the size of the problem all options need to be on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
If SS can be sustained in isolation why single it out for consideration rather than simply saying that we must look at the whole budget?<br />
When you simply state that we have to look at Medicare and SS it looks more like you have an axe to grind rather than simply saying that due to the size of the problem all options need to be on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1047411</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We don&#039;t ration on ability to pay &lt;strong&gt;for emergency care &lt;/strong&gt;now. If you need &lt;strong&gt;emergency&lt;/strong&gt; care you get &lt;strong&gt;emergency care&lt;/strong&gt; irrespective of ability to pay.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We don't ration on ability to pay <strong>for emergency care </strong>now. If you need <strong>emergency</strong> care you get <strong>emergency care</strong> irrespective of ability to pay.</p></blockquote>
<p>fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1047391</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mithras,

You just repeated the fallacious argument of why Social Security should be left alone. You didn&#039;t even address Cowen&#039;s argument. Try again.

Rick,

&lt;blockquote&gt;no more rationing based on ability to pay&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We don&#039;t ration on ability to pay now.  If you need care you get it irrespective of ability to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mithras,</p>
<p>You just repeated the fallacious argument of why Social Security should be left alone. You didn't even address Cowen's argument. Try again.</p>
<p>Rick,</p>
<blockquote><p>no more rationing based on ability to pay</p></blockquote>
<p>We don't ration on ability to pay now.  If you need care you get it irrespective of ability to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 11:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yea, I am pretty sure God does not want old people to have health care...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

lol, I said wast your tax money,  you know, the truth, He is not into stealing, or people that don&#039;t work getting other peoples hard earned.

lol, and I&#039;m sure singing a bill as a first act as a nations leader to send more of said wasted tax dollars around the world to be used by one of the greatest perpetrators of crimes against humanity namely Planed Parenthood.

charity for those who can&#039;t take care of themselves, YES.

stealing to pay for lies you told to get elected, NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yea, I am pretty sure God does not want old people to have health care...</p></blockquote>
<p>lol, I said wast your tax money,  you know, the truth, He is not into stealing, or people that don't work getting other peoples hard earned.</p>
<p>lol, and I'm sure singing a bill as a first act as a nations leader to send more of said wasted tax dollars around the world to be used by one of the greatest perpetrators of crimes against humanity namely Planed Parenthood.</p>
<p>charity for those who can't take care of themselves, YES.</p>
<p>stealing to pay for lies you told to get elected, NO.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1046882</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But I can understand if the parallels to banana republics make you uncomforbale.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, let me assure you that such a comparison doesn&#039;t make me uncomfortable in the slightest, but, rather, merely amused...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But I can understand if the parallels to banana republics make you uncomforbale.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, let me assure you that such a comparison doesn't make me uncomfortable in the slightest, but, rather, merely amused...</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1046798</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ya I&#039;m sure God wanted the liberals to wast your tax money&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yea, I am pretty sure God does not want old people to have health care...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ya I'm sure God wanted the liberals to wast your tax money</p></blockquote>
<p>Yea, I am pretty sure God does not want old people to have health care...</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the actions of President Obama and those around him and supporting him since taking office I&#039;m quite comfortable with the term caudillo.  But I can understand if the parallels to banana republics make you uncomforbale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the actions of President Obama and those around him and supporting him since taking office I'm quite comfortable with the term caudillo.  But I can understand if the parallels to banana republics make you uncomforbale.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1046778</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if you think health care costs can be reduced without the following things:

- end of life management
- more competition among Doctors (read; lower compensation )
- Changes in patent laws
- universal coverage pool
- no more rationing based on ability to pay

Then you&#039;re worse then a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if you think health care costs can be reduced without the following things:</p>
<p>- end of life management<br />
- more competition among Doctors (read; lower compensation )<br />
- Changes in patent laws<br />
- universal coverage pool<br />
- no more rationing based on ability to pay</p>
<p>Then you're worse then a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1046777</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;While in isolation Social Security might be “fine” and need only some minor adjustments, the entire budget is looking rather bleak. So, taking Social Security off the table might make the problem intractable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or the Defense budget, or Farm subsidies, or any number of things we currently do. If you want to say we nee to look at the budget in total ... no argument, if you are saying that any of the other things like Defense should be untouched ... no dice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While in isolation Social Security might be “fine” and need only some minor adjustments, the entire budget is looking rather bleak. So, taking Social Security off the table might make the problem intractable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or the Defense budget, or Farm subsidies, or any number of things we currently do. If you want to say we nee to look at the budget in total ... no argument, if you are saying that any of the other things like Defense should be untouched ... no dice.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thank god we didn&#039;t &quot;fix&quot; social security by privatizing it during the Bush administration, because a lot more seniors would be eating cat food and losing their homes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ya I&#039;m sure God wanted the liberals to wast your tax money instead of you being able to save it on your own so you  might have some when you get older.

lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thank god we didn't "fix" social security by privatizing it during the Bush administration, because a lot more seniors would be eating cat food and losing their homes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ya I'm sure God wanted the liberals to wast your tax money instead of you being able to save it on your own so you  might have some when you get older.</p>
<p>lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1046756</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Saturday links...&lt;/strong&gt;

From TARP to Command and Control. Kudlow 
The odd spiritualism of Arthur Conan Doyle
Liberal fantasyland: Hoven at Am Thinker
Newt on Pelosi. Harsh. CIA bites back.
Related: Reality arrives to the Dems. They are supposed to be running the country. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Saturday links...</strong></p>
<p>From TARP to Command and Control. Kudlow<br />
The odd spiritualism of Arthur Conan Doyle<br />
Liberal fantasyland: Hoven at Am Thinker<br />
Newt on Pelosi. Harsh. CIA bites back.<br />
Related: Reality arrives to the Dems. They are supposed to be running the country. ...</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1046593</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My #0 fallacy, the one that becomes before #1, is that &quot;rationing benefits&quot; is avoidable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My #0 fallacy, the one that becomes before #1, is that "rationing benefits" is avoidable.</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...and the inevitable tax increases which our Year 0 Caudillo hinted at yesterday?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Caudillo&quot;?  Oh my, perhaps the president should walk around dressed like &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.themonkeycage.org/franco.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/A&gt; so that he can fit the illustrious description...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>...and the inevitable tax increases which our Year 0 Caudillo hinted at yesterday?</p></blockquote>
<p>"Caudillo"?  Oh my, perhaps the president should walk around dressed like <a HREF="http://www.themonkeycage.org/franco.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a> so that he can fit the illustrious description...</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/health_care_fallacy_1/comment-page-1/#comment-1046556</link>
		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We can easily afford it as is, and it will unleash all kinds of creative potential in our economy as people start businesses and change jobs without fear that they&#039;ll be bankrupted if they lose their health insurance and get sick.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Before you worry about releasing the creative potential of those who might start businesses in the future, what about those of us with businesses today whose fear of being bankrupted has nothing to do with losing health insurance but everything to do with killing our current creative potential by destroying credit markets, engaging in uncontrolled deficit spending that is practically begging for rampant inflation, a belligerent hostility to free markets and capitalism, and the inevitable tax increases which our Year 0 Caudillo hinted at yesterday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We can easily afford it as is, and it will unleash all kinds of creative potential in our economy as people start businesses and change jobs without fear that they'll be bankrupted if they lose their health insurance and get sick.</p></blockquote>
<p>Before you worry about releasing the creative potential of those who might start businesses in the future, what about those of us with businesses today whose fear of being bankrupted has nothing to do with losing health insurance but everything to do with killing our current creative potential by destroying credit markets, engaging in uncontrolled deficit spending that is practically begging for rampant inflation, a belligerent hostility to free markets and capitalism, and the inevitable tax increases which our Year 0 Caudillo hinted at yesterday?</p>
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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What we&#039;re going to do is move toward a single-payer health care system, which will fix that problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can&#039;t wait to see the responses that line gets...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What we're going to do is move toward a single-payer health care system, which will fix that problem.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can't wait to see the responses that line gets...</p>
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