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		<title>By: Hell or New York City &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hell or New York City &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in NYC is a “matter of personal preference and not a value judgment”. Depending on what you are accustomed to you may think LIFE in NYC is the greatest. As someone who [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my sincere hope that city dweller&#039;s remain content,even ecstatic, with their place of residence,being a rural dweller myself. I need no more company.
 An occasional visit each with the other is more than sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my sincere hope that city dweller's remain content,even ecstatic, with their place of residence,being a rural dweller myself. I need no more company.<br />
 An occasional visit each with the other is more than sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A debate about the relative desirability of city and suburban living is spreading through the blogosphere at a surprising clip, given the timelessness of the topic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It doesn&#039;t suprise me.
I suppose and assume the subject is on a lot of minds of late, given their (IMV, accurate) perception that if Obama makes it into the White House our energy situation will impose a move to the city for many folks.

... as the UN desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A debate about the relative desirability of city and suburban living is spreading through the blogosphere at a surprising clip, given the timelessness of the topic.</p></blockquote>
<p>It doesn't suprise me.<br />
I suppose and assume the subject is on a lot of minds of late, given their (IMV, accurate) perception that if Obama makes it into the White House our energy situation will impose a move to the city for many folks.</p>
<p>... as the UN desires.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That reminds me. I thought I&#039;d share my favorite Cambridge story with you folks.

Daniel Ellsberg held his first press conference after he leaked the Pentagon Papers at a hotel in Cambridge (I think the hotel&#039;s now a Harvard dorm.) I went to press conference. Two elderly women were sitting in front of me, and I heard one say to the other, &quot;Oh, yes, he&#039;s much better looking than Norman Mailer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That reminds me. I thought I'd share my favorite Cambridge story with you folks.</p>
<p>Daniel Ellsberg held his first press conference after he leaked the Pentagon Papers at a hotel in Cambridge (I think the hotel's now a Harvard dorm.) I went to press conference. Two elderly women were sitting in front of me, and I heard one say to the other, "Oh, yes, he's much better looking than Norman Mailer."</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve never been in a more exciting place than New York City. 

&lt;em&gt;Ah, but do you really want excitement in your everyday existence?&lt;/em&gt; Especially with so much tradeoff in terms of cost, privacy, and living space?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. But note that I wrote &quot;win lottery bigtime&quot;. 

Graywolf is right, you&#039;d better have a Trump-sized income. Actually, I&#039;d probably move to the Boston area, maybe Cambridge. And try to buy one of those big houses on Brattle street. I went to grad school in that area, and, as I said, I grew up in LA. When I got to place where I found didn&#039;t need a car, well, that was liberation, baby! YMMV...  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I've never been in a more exciting place than New York City. </p>
<p><em>Ah, but do you really want excitement in your everyday existence?</em> Especially with so much tradeoff in terms of cost, privacy, and living space?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. But note that I wrote "win lottery bigtime". </p>
<p>Graywolf is right, you'd better have a Trump-sized income. Actually, I'd probably move to the Boston area, maybe Cambridge. And try to buy one of those big houses on Brattle street. I went to grad school in that area, and, as I said, I grew up in LA. When I got to place where I found didn't need a car, well, that was liberation, baby! YMMV...  :)</p>
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		<title>By: DL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Charles&lt;/strong&gt; You hit the nail on the head. This is the major characteristic of liberalism. They demand (and will codify into law if they can) that everyone do as they do. It is about the power or &quot;perceived perfection&quot; What starts as &quot;If they only knew what I know&quot; then morphs into &quot;they must do what I do.&quot;

You can spot them in first grade!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Charles</strong> You hit the nail on the head. This is the major characteristic of liberalism. They demand (and will codify into law if they can) that everyone do as they do. It is about the power or "perceived perfection" What starts as "If they only knew what I know" then morphs into "they must do what I do."</p>
<p>You can spot them in first grade!</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is simply a matter of personal preference, not a value judgment, and one that I suspect largely depends on what one is used to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Aye, but there&#039;s the rub, James. My country friends consider it a preference whereas my urban friends consider it value judgment. The country folks say, &quot;You would enjoy it out here.&quot; The city folks say, &quot;Why do you drive that stinking, inefficient, polluting automobile everywhere you inconsiderate suburban jerk?&quot; Around here the &quot;debate&quot; is always started by the city dweller intent on forcing his way of life on everybody else. I have never once had a country friend bring up the subject except in response to accusations by urbanites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is simply a matter of personal preference, not a value judgment, and one that I suspect largely depends on what one is used to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Aye, but there's the rub, James. My country friends consider it a preference whereas my urban friends consider it value judgment. The country folks say, "You would enjoy it out here." The city folks say, "Why do you drive that stinking, inefficient, polluting automobile everywhere you inconsiderate suburban jerk?" Around here the "debate" is always started by the city dweller intent on forcing his way of life on everybody else. I have never once had a country friend bring up the subject except in response to accusations by urbanites.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I live in a single family home in the city of Chicago (in the city) in the Sauganash neighborhood. I have a nicely sized front yard and back yard&lt;/em&gt;

Same here. I also own a turn of the (19th) century Victorian in the city (&quot;Old Louisville&quot;). I have a deck, a backyard plenty big enough for my dog to run around, and off street parking. There&#039;s a park across the street and several small stores and restaurants (even bars, were I so inclined) within walking distance. And I have a &lt;em&gt;7 minute commute&lt;/em&gt; to my office downtown. As far as I&#039;m concerned, I have the best of both worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I live in a single family home in the city of Chicago (in the city) in the Sauganash neighborhood. I have a nicely sized front yard and back yard</em></p>
<p>Same here. I also own a turn of the (19th) century Victorian in the city ("Old Louisville"). I have a deck, a backyard plenty big enough for my dog to run around, and off street parking. There's a park across the street and several small stores and restaurants (even bars, were I so inclined) within walking distance. And I have a <em>7 minute commute</em> to my office downtown. As far as I'm concerned, I have the best of both worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having a large, chemical free yard in the &#039;burbs is a great pleasure. On a given day, we get 15 or so bird species, half a dozen squirrels, and the raccoons &amp; opossums at night.

Lawns tend to be water/chemical intensive and sterile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a large, chemical free yard in the 'burbs is a great pleasure. On a given day, we get 15 or so bird species, half a dozen squirrels, and the raccoons &amp; opossums at night.</p>
<p>Lawns tend to be water/chemical intensive and sterile.</p>
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		<title>By: graywolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>graywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in NYC (the upper East Side) for 10 years.
The saddest years of my life.
Its like living in an anthill.
EVERYthing&#039;s a hassle, unless you&#039;re Donald Trump or living in a huge coop on Fifth or Park.
Excitement?
I was there before Guiliani. I had my fill of excitement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in NYC (the upper East Side) for 10 years.<br />
The saddest years of my life.<br />
Its like living in an anthill.<br />
EVERYthing's a hassle, unless you're Donald Trump or living in a huge coop on Fifth or Park.<br />
Excitement?<br />
I was there before Guiliani. I had my fill of excitement.</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fausta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I earned my MBA while working in NYC and living in Convent Station NJ, the best of both worlds.  It&#039;s all a matter of what your priorities are with your time and with your lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I earned my MBA while working in NYC and living in Convent Station NJ, the best of both worlds.  It's all a matter of what your priorities are with your time and with your lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  I live in a single family home in the city of Chicago (&lt;b&gt;in&lt;/b&gt; the city) in the Sauganash neighborhood.  I have a nicely sized front yard and back yard.  I&#039;m within walking distance of my bank, a Whole Foods grocery store, a drug store (mom and pop, not a chain), one very decent restaurant, two hot dog stands, and a dive.  

I know and value my neighbors and we&#039;re a varied bunch (although predominantly Catholic):  Polish immigrants, Mexican immigrants, Filipino immigrants, Irish-Americans, and me (mostly Swiss and Irish--long time American).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  I live in a single family home in the city of Chicago (<b>in</b> the city) in the Sauganash neighborhood.  I have a nicely sized front yard and back yard.  I'm within walking distance of my bank, a Whole Foods grocery store, a drug store (mom and pop, not a chain), one very decent restaurant, two hot dog stands, and a dive.  </p>
<p>I know and value my neighbors and we're a varied bunch (although predominantly Catholic):  Polish immigrants, Mexican immigrants, Filipino immigrants, Irish-Americans, and me (mostly Swiss and Irish--long time American).</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve never been in a more exciting place than New York City. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, but do you really want excitement in your everyday existence? Especially with so much tradeoff in terms of cost, privacy, and living space?

It&#039;s a fantastic place to visit and I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll do it many more times.  But I wouldn&#039;t want to live there.

Now, perhaps, on a Donald Trump level income, where one can pay to avoid all the inconveniences, that might change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I've never been in a more exciting place than New York City. </p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but do you really want excitement in your everyday existence? Especially with so much tradeoff in terms of cost, privacy, and living space?</p>
<p>It's a fantastic place to visit and I'm sure I'll do it many more times.  But I wouldn't want to live there.</p>
<p>Now, perhaps, on a Donald Trump level income, where one can pay to avoid all the inconveniences, that might change.</p>
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		<title>By: William d'Inger</title>
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		<dc:creator>William d'Inger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it whenever this subject rears its ugly head. It&#039;s almost always a case of someone trying to force their lifestyle upon everybody else. The public transportation, bicycle, walk, mom and pop store, health food, recycle, dolphin loving, global warming, florescent lighting, solar and wind power, Prius driving people are the worst. They demand, in the name of their Mother Goddess Earth, that we conform to their utopian urban dream.

Personally, I don&#039;t care whether people live urban, suburban, exurban, rural or wilderness lifestyles. What I care about most is that people have the freedom to chose for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate it whenever this subject rears its ugly head. It's almost always a case of someone trying to force their lifestyle upon everybody else. The public transportation, bicycle, walk, mom and pop store, health food, recycle, dolphin loving, global warming, florescent lighting, solar and wind power, Prius driving people are the worst. They demand, in the name of their Mother Goddess Earth, that we conform to their utopian urban dream.</p>
<p>Personally, I don't care whether people live urban, suburban, exurban, rural or wilderness lifestyles. What I care about most is that people have the freedom to chose for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hank Williams, Jr. captured the sentiment nicely a quarter century ago:  “Just send me to hell or New York City, it would be about the same to me.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If I ever win the lottery big time, hell here I come. I&#039;ve never been in a more exciting place than New York City. Of course, I grew up in Los Angeles...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hank Williams, Jr. captured the sentiment nicely a quarter century ago:  “Just send me to hell or New York City, it would be about the same to me.”</p></blockquote>
<p>If I ever win the lottery big time, hell here I come. I've never been in a more exciting place than New York City. Of course, I grew up in Los Angeles...</p>
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