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	<title>Comments on: Herndon Climb, Naval Academy Tradition, in Peril</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/herndon_climb_naval_academy_tradition_in_peril/comment-page-1/#comment-267741</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is worth noting that in the wikipedia article the classes in the 1960&#039;s what completed the event in minutes had the aid of a cargo net (1962) or the monument was ungreased (1969).  Otherwise the times are comparable.

The banning of the event is reminiscent of an overprotective mother using the PTA to ban dodge ball at an elementary school. Most colleges in the country (including the Naval Academy) have rugby teams who are in far greater danger on a weekly basis than the participants in the Herndon climb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is worth noting that in the wikipedia article the classes in the 1960's what completed the event in minutes had the aid of a cargo net (1962) or the monument was ungreased (1969).  Otherwise the times are comparable.</p>
<p>The banning of the event is reminiscent of an overprotective mother using the PTA to ban dodge ball at an elementary school. Most colleges in the country (including the Naval Academy) have rugby teams who are in far greater danger on a weekly basis than the participants in the Herndon climb.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the Nanny State.  Pretty soon we&#039;ll outlaw war, and disband the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the Nanny State.  Pretty soon we'll outlaw war, and disband the military.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In regards to the actual event, I must confess as to not getting the point of climbing a greased up monument.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think Steven Taylor gets to the reason for the ban--the homoerotic nature of grown men climbing together up a greased pole is antithetical to the &quot;don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell&quot; policy of the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In regards to the actual event, I must confess as to not getting the point of climbing a greased up monument.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Steven Taylor gets to the reason for the ban--the homoerotic nature of grown men climbing together up a greased pole is antithetical to the "don't ask, don't tell" policy of the military.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am being a bit pedantic, but it does seem that if one is going to use the term &quot;nanny statism&quot; then the &lt;i&gt;state&lt;/i&gt; needs to be involved in the action in question.

In regards to the actual event, I must confess as to not getting the point of climbing a greased up monument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am being a bit pedantic, but it does seem that if one is going to use the term "nanny statism" then the <i>state</i> needs to be involved in the action in question.</p>
<p>In regards to the actual event, I must confess as to not getting the point of climbing a greased up monument.</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much what YAJ said Brian.

Nanny statism is the idea that somebody in authority needs to tell others-especially adults what they can or can&#039;t do for their own good.

Some of those things have good reasons behind them, but I see no compelling reasons for eliminating this yearly ritual/tradition.  Especially since it involves adults, and there have never been any serious injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much what YAJ said Brian.</p>
<p>Nanny statism is the idea that somebody in authority needs to tell others-especially adults what they can or can't do for their own good.</p>
<p>Some of those things have good reasons behind them, but I see no compelling reasons for eliminating this yearly ritual/tradition.  Especially since it involves adults, and there have never been any serious injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

nanny statism is not just acts of congress. It is when anyone in authority over adults removes their rights of making choices without a compelling reason. Certainly we can debate what constitutes a compelling reason, but none seems to have been entered here.

The government deciding that I should drive on the right side of the road is a limitation on my freedom of choice, but it is based on a compelling reason. If the naval academy was to force the cadets to participate or force them to not participate, they would be engaging in nanny statism.

Let the midshipmen (and women) individually decide to participate and then jointly work to accomplish the goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>nanny statism is not just acts of congress. It is when anyone in authority over adults removes their rights of making choices without a compelling reason. Certainly we can debate what constitutes a compelling reason, but none seems to have been entered here.</p>
<p>The government deciding that I should drive on the right side of the road is a limitation on my freedom of choice, but it is based on a compelling reason. If the naval academy was to force the cadets to participate or force them to not participate, they would be engaging in nanny statism.</p>
<p>Let the midshipmen (and women) individually decide to participate and then jointly work to accomplish the goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this nanny statism?  Congress isn&#039;t making a law forbidding the Herndon Climb.  Rather, the leaders of the academy are making the decision.  Those are the people that &lt;strong&gt;should&lt;/strong&gt; be making the decision.

Now, that doesn&#039;t mean the possible decision isn&#039;t stupid...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this nanny statism?  Congress isn't making a law forbidding the Herndon Climb.  Rather, the leaders of the academy are making the decision.  Those are the people that <strong>should</strong> be making the decision.</p>
<p>Now, that doesn't mean the possible decision isn't stupid...</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord this is nanny statism at its worst.

They are adults, they are future officers, I think they can handle the risks involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord this is nanny statism at its worst.</p>
<p>They are adults, they are future officers, I think they can handle the risks involved.</p>
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