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	<title>Comments on: The Tarnished Legacy of John Paul II</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Witherup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Witherup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 01:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kick the old Pope when he&#039;s dead.... my what balls you have. What an A-Hole!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kick the old Pope when he's dead.... my what balls you have. What an A-Hole!</p>
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		<title>By: oD Today</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hitchens_on_john_paul_ii/comment-page-1/#comment-41461</link>
		<dc:creator>oD Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Searching the Pope&lt;/strong&gt;
John Paul II is headlining everywhere this week. Even the Arab media have been leading on the story, say the NY Times. Online, the most thorough posthumous account of the Pope&#039;s life is found on Wikipedia. Lord knows how many</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Searching the Pope</strong><br />
John Paul II is headlining everywhere this week. Even the Arab media have been leading on the story, say the NY Times. Online, the most thorough posthumous account of the Pope's life is found on Wikipedia. Lord knows how many</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hitchens_on_john_paul_ii/comment-page-1/#comment-41432</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that by the time the child-abuse sh*t hit the fan, the Holy Father was in sufficiently poor health that he could know only what the Curia wanted him to.  This is of course a variant of &quot;if only the Tsar knew!&quot; but it may be true nonetheless.

I also suspect that the RCC has been used to dealing with pederastic priests for no small time now, and the Curia thus took the problem for granted in a way that made them see the media coverage, not the crimes themselves, as the threat to be addressed.

Let&#039;s hope the new Pope has the courage and faith to make strong pronouncements on these abuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that by the time the child-abuse sh*t hit the fan, the Holy Father was in sufficiently poor health that he could know only what the Curia wanted him to.  This is of course a variant of "if only the Tsar knew!" but it may be true nonetheless.</p>
<p>I also suspect that the RCC has been used to dealing with pederastic priests for no small time now, and the Curia thus took the problem for granted in a way that made them see the media coverage, not the crimes themselves, as the threat to be addressed.</p>
<p>Let's hope the new Pope has the courage and faith to make strong pronouncements on these abuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Tanner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/hitchens_on_john_paul_ii/comment-page-1/#comment-41422</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;A few years ago, it seemed quite probable that Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston would have to face trial for his appalling collusion in the child-rape racket that his diocese had been running.&#039;

MA AG Tom Reilly stated he had no basis to file charges eventhough he received a lot of criticism to do so. There were never any charges filed or plans to file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'A few years ago, it seemed quite probable that Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston would have to face trial for his appalling collusion in the child-rape racket that his diocese had been running.'</p>
<p>MA AG Tom Reilly stated he had no basis to file charges eventhough he received a lot of criticism to do so. There were never any charges filed or plans to file.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that Hitchens doesn&#039;t know the difference between the religious authority of the Roman Catholic Church, which the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom to follow, and the civil authority governing that piece of land within Italy. Both are run by the same people ultimately, but it&#039;s like confusing Paramount and CBS because they&#039;re owned by the same parent company.

He also shows how little he understands the Christian view of God&#039;s sovereignty over all things. He&#039;s assuming God would never want someone elected pope for a very short time. I can think of half a dozen different potential reasons God might have wanted this, and anyone who can&#039;t either hasn&#039;t tried or simply isn&#039;t creative enough.

It&#039;s interesting that people won&#039;t mention the abuse scandal, whereas hardly anyone was content to do nothing but praise Reagan when he died. There always had to be some tagline mentioning his critics or pointing out that he wasn&#039;t as popular when he was president as he was later. I haven&#039;t heard one negative comment in the major press so far, not even a criticism of some of his more conservative views.

I disagree with the silly notion that somehow it&#039;s immoral to mention negative things about someone right after their death. How does it make a difference to them? Somehow you have to respect the dead right after they die, but you can say as offensive things as you want two weeks later? When you remember someone, why not remember how the person really was? I&#039;m not sure I agree fully with your assessment of him, and I&#039;m not even sure the RCC hasn&#039;t done something. I don&#039;t know the facts, really. Still, those who insist that now isn&#039;t the right time to raise these questions just seem to me to be inventing a moral principle out of thin air. I&#039;m sure John Paul II would want people seeking the truth rather than seeking t bury it in the name of some silly idea that you can&#039;t raise serious questions about someone (or even about something associated with that someone) when reflecting on the legacy of that person&#039;s just-completed life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's interesting that Hitchens doesn't know the difference between the religious authority of the Roman Catholic Church, which the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom to follow, and the civil authority governing that piece of land within Italy. Both are run by the same people ultimately, but it's like confusing Paramount and CBS because they're owned by the same parent company.</p>
<p>He also shows how little he understands the Christian view of God's sovereignty over all things. He's assuming God would never want someone elected pope for a very short time. I can think of half a dozen different potential reasons God might have wanted this, and anyone who can't either hasn't tried or simply isn't creative enough.</p>
<p>It's interesting that people won't mention the abuse scandal, whereas hardly anyone was content to do nothing but praise Reagan when he died. There always had to be some tagline mentioning his critics or pointing out that he wasn't as popular when he was president as he was later. I haven't heard one negative comment in the major press so far, not even a criticism of some of his more conservative views.</p>
<p>I disagree with the silly notion that somehow it's immoral to mention negative things about someone right after their death. How does it make a difference to them? Somehow you have to respect the dead right after they die, but you can say as offensive things as you want two weeks later? When you remember someone, why not remember how the person really was? I'm not sure I agree fully with your assessment of him, and I'm not even sure the RCC hasn't done something. I don't know the facts, really. Still, those who insist that now isn't the right time to raise these questions just seem to me to be inventing a moral principle out of thin air. I'm sure John Paul II would want people seeking the truth rather than seeking t bury it in the name of some silly idea that you can't raise serious questions about someone (or even about something associated with that someone) when reflecting on the legacy of that person's just-completed life.</p>
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		<title>By: Only a Flesh Wound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Only a Flesh Wound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joyner,
You deserve the previous comment soiling this blog and the blogosphere, due to your execrable timing. I&#039;m not Catholic, or religious at all, but still find your post akin to farting in an elevator. 
Listen to your choir: &quot;fellating his cooling corspe.&quot; 
Wipe the boogers off your nose. Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyner,<br />
You deserve the previous comment soiling this blog and the blogosphere, due to your execrable timing. I'm not Catholic, or religious at all, but still find your post akin to farting in an elevator.<br />
Listen to your choir: "fellating his cooling corspe."<br />
Wipe the boogers off your nose. Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole &#039;world mourns the pope&#039; media hysteria reminds of me of the the rank hero-worship of Regan and crap movies like Spiderman 2. 
Most objective assessment of Pope JP2 (aka as a media savvy authoritarian, who handled the 20th century by refused to compromise on the Churches&#039; most irrational and immoral doctrines) is lost in the deluge of fawning tributes. 

What&#039;s most bewildering is that most of the media and mourners (including R.Cs) currently fellating his cooling corspe do not subscribe to any of the &quot;Great One&#039;s&quot; most dogamtic teacherings.  

Hey Folks! You keep screaming for HEROS and GREAT LEADERS. You promise to put reason and morality aside if only a Powerful Man-Father will touch your empty modern lives. Keep calling and they will come...and with them an ocean of blood and   tears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole 'world mourns the pope' media hysteria reminds of me of the the rank hero-worship of Regan and crap movies like Spiderman 2.<br />
Most objective assessment of Pope JP2 (aka as a media savvy authoritarian, who handled the 20th century by refused to compromise on the Churches' most irrational and immoral doctrines) is lost in the deluge of fawning tributes. </p>
<p>What's most bewildering is that most of the media and mourners (including R.Cs) currently fellating his cooling corspe do not subscribe to any of the "Great One's" most dogamtic teacherings.  </p>
<p>Hey Folks! You keep screaming for HEROS and GREAT LEADERS. You promise to put reason and morality aside if only a Powerful Man-Father will touch your empty modern lives. Keep calling and they will come...and with them an ocean of blood and   tears.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scandal or not, the world is a whole lot better off for his having lived.

There remains much to be done, yes -- but he had to leave &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; for his successors to do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scandal or not, the world is a whole lot better off for his having lived.</p>
<p>There remains much to be done, yes -- but he had to leave <i>something</i> for his successors to do...</p>
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		<title>By: The American Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Amanpour&#039;s Focus&lt;/strong&gt;
This is the late Pope John Paul&#039;s moment. It shouldn&#039;t be a time of saddness but of rememberence of all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Amanpour's Focus</strong><br />
This is the late Pope John Paul's moment. It shouldn't be a time of saddness but of rememberence of all...</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Brief:  I See the F**k-up Fairy Has Visited Again!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Brief:  I See the F**k-up Fairy Has Visited Again!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Squirm&lt;/strong&gt;
That&#039;s what I&#039;m doing as I write this, but that&#039;s just the image of Sister Agnes with her ruler that&#039;s burned in my head.  Which is more than part of this post.

James Joyner over at Outside the Beltway has expanded on a discussion about what we...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Squirm</strong><br />
That's what I'm doing as I write this, but that's just the image of Sister Agnes with her ruler that's burned in my head.  Which is more than part of this post.</p>
<p>James Joyner over at Outside the Beltway has expanded on a discussion about what we...</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the man was Hitler, I really don&#039;t think right now is the time discuss the criticisms.

Although I disagree with how the church dealt with the issue of priests abusing children, I just don&#039;t know that now is the time or the place to lay it all at his feet, and I am not even sure how much it should be layed at his feet.  Maybe somebody who is Catholic and understands how much oversight the Pope has over these issues can elaborate more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the man was Hitler, I really don't think right now is the time discuss the criticisms.</p>
<p>Although I disagree with how the church dealt with the issue of priests abusing children, I just don't know that now is the time or the place to lay it all at his feet, and I am not even sure how much it should be layed at his feet.  Maybe somebody who is Catholic and understands how much oversight the Pope has over these issues can elaborate more.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Church is (in one sense) a human institution comprised of sinners.  

What an ignorant post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church is (in one sense) a human institution comprised of sinners.  </p>
<p>What an ignorant post!</p>
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		<title>By: Deleted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deleted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;No link back&lt;/strong&gt;
Link: Hardline anachronism or anti-war icon? A polyglot with two doctorates and a string of plays and poems to his name; the most eloquent critic of the war in Iraq and a tireless opponent of free market capitalism....not to mention&lt;/trackback&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No link back</strong><br />
Link: Hardline anachronism or anti-war icon? A polyglot with two doctorates and a string of plays and poems to his name; the most eloquent critic of the war in Iraq and a tireless opponent of free market capitalism....not to mention</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  In my tribute I touched on both the inescapable scandal, and the God or &quot;they&quot; taking the previous Pope out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  In my tribute I touched on both the inescapable scandal, and the God or "they" taking the previous Pope out.</p>
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