Comments on: Hitler, Mozart, and Abortion

By: G.A. Phillips

G.A. Phillips — Sat, 05 May 2007 04:38:28 +0000

Legion, you will never be me so don't try to copy, and Christopher is right, and Jesus most certainly addressed the subject, did he not command us not to murder, did he not say that what you do to the little children you do to him? oh and you are not even close to done but it does seem that someone has already stuck a fork in you.

By: floyd

floyd — Sat, 05 May 2007 03:29:27 +0000

Legion;ONE CAVEAT;If you believe that there is one God; you do well: But devils also believe, and TREMBLE!

By: legion

legion — Fri, 04 May 2007 21:56:44 +0000

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By: G.A. Phillips

G.A. Phillips — Fri, 04 May 2007 16:09:39 +0000

I got it a mathematical solution for all this:ABORTION=MURDER, LIBERAL=NAZI, CONCEPTION=LIFE, AND DONKEYS WORSHIPING MONKEYS=STUPID. So I'll look forward to your to your feeble attempts at proofing my ciphering wrong.

By: legion

legion — Fri, 04 May 2007 05:20:36 +0000

floyd, Individually, yes. But even if it's part of the platform, it's not a central tenet of church doctrine the way it is for Catholics... It's important enough in Catholicism that one can be refused sacrament or even excommunicated from the church - by their own policy, you can't be a pro-abortion Catholic (tho I'm sure some consider themselves such, the church will not recognize them). But last time I checked, the only thing that can get you refused as a Christian is not believing in Jesus Christ as the Messiah/Son of God.

By: floyd

floyd — Thu, 03 May 2007 22:27:10 +0000

Legion; I don't know how you define protestant, but most non-catholic Christians are pro-life.

By: legion

legion — Thu, 03 May 2007 16:03:59 +0000

I heard you, Christopher, I just don't understand you. Are you taking it upon yourself to define Christianity? Do you consider Anglicans and most Protestants to be something other than Christians? Not even the Pope is willing to make such a sweeping statement (at least, not in the last few centuries...). I mean, the injunction against taking life goes back at least to the OT Commandment about not killing/committing murder (depending on your preferred translation), but that's only part of the issue. You also have to hold the position that life unequivocably begins at conception, which, while it's been part of Catholic dogma for a long time, was never discussed by Jesus. So how do you get from 'disagreeing with a particular sect's policy' to 'not a Christian'? Just curious...

By: Michael

Michael — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:30:00 +0000

You cannot be a Christian and believe in abortion or abortion rights. Period.

Being a Christian requires only the belief and acceptance of Jesus Christ. At least that is what the Bible says, others may have different definitions of the word.

Now granted that full belief in and acceptance of Jesus Christ should predispose you to being anti-abortion, but the former is not strictly a prerequisite of the latter.

By: Michael

Michael — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:24:49 +0000

And as far as being a complete organism unto itself, look up what happens when infants are deprived of human touch. Since they die without it, can they really be considered a complete organism unto themselves. We both have parasites in our body that absent them, we would find life much less enjoyable (try a strong course of anti-biotics if you don't know what I mean). So is anyone truly a complete organism unto themselves given the number of symbiotic relationships.

Perhaps a clarification then, the organism must be able to survive without the presence of a specific individual. An infant can survive with the care of any capable adult, a fetus can only survive in the womb of one specific adult.

By: Christopher

Christopher — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:02:20 +0000

Maybe you didn't hear me, legion:

You cannot be a Christian and believe in abortion or abortion rights. Period.

By: legion

legion — Thu, 03 May 2007 14:32:02 +0000

Christopher, Wrong, wrong, and.... wrong. You can't be a Catholic and believe in abortion rights, but there are numerous sects of Christianity that don't take the hard-line on 'the soul enters at conception'. Or are those churches not 'real Christians'? 'Cause I don't recall that topic coming up specifically in any of Christ's sermons...

By: floyd

floyd — Thu, 03 May 2007 04:12:02 +0000

Christopher; I certainly do!
[I hope you recognize the sarcasm in my post]

By: Christopher

Christopher — Thu, 03 May 2007 02:56:50 +0000

Do any of you actually believe in God?

You cannot be a Christian and believe in abortion or abortion rights. Period.

By: floyd

floyd — Wed, 02 May 2007 22:32:01 +0000

Doesn't independant viability begin when the blob of protoplasm is gainfully employed?But I guess that might exclude half of academia?

By: Tlaloc

Tlaloc — Wed, 02 May 2007 21:10:15 +0000

Of course part of the problem with the definition is what can be done by the definer. Hitler and his minions did not feel remorse because they weren't killing people, just something that might have some similarity to people but were untermenschen. The less than a person category was expanded to Gypsies, mental and physical defectives, homosexuals, etc.

On the other hand if we blithely classify all human tissue as human beings we suddenly live in a world where takng a shower is genocide. Either extreme is unacceptable. so we need a good definition based on something real (which the nazi definition was not). What definition are you proposing?

And as far as being a complete organism unto itself, look up what happens when infants are deprived of human touch. Since they die without it, can they really be considered a complete organism unto themselves.

Sure they are. They also need food and air just like every other organism (okay there are anaerobic bacteria who don't need air). Being a complete organism doesn't mean you can live in a vacuum. It just means your body is capable of carrying on the life processes itself.