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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/housing_bust_/comment-page-1/#comment-95819</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In a market like DC’s, first-time purchasers simply have to jump in somewhere.&quot;

I live in just such a market.  The place to jump in--the place where *I* jumped in--is when and where you can afford what you&#039;re buying.  It&#039;s not fun.  I lived like a pauper for five years when I didn&#039;t have to so I could afford to put 20% down and have reasonable 30 year fixed payments, and I bought a very old fixer-upper in a yet-to-be-established neighborhood--but it&#039;s what grown ups do.

As I said above, buying with the knowledge that you won&#039;t be able to afford payments in five years is an incredibly foolish choice to make.  Planning to sell within that time is great, but if property values are going down (and given closing costs and brokers fees, really even not going up that fast), that very well may be impossible.  In any event, your last gamble worked out pretty well it seems, so maybe this one will too--and it also appears that you aren&#039;t like a lot of people with ARMs who couldn&#039;t afford payments under any circumstance when the teaser rates expire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"In a market like DC&rsquo;s, first-time purchasers simply have to jump in somewhere."</p>
<p>I live in just such a market.  The place to jump in--the place where *I* jumped in--is when and where you can afford what you're buying.  It's not fun.  I lived like a pauper for five years when I didn't have to so I could afford to put 20% down and have reasonable 30 year fixed payments, and I bought a very old fixer-upper in a yet-to-be-established neighborhood--but it's what grown ups do.</p>
<p>As I said above, buying with the knowledge that you won't be able to afford payments in five years is an incredibly foolish choice to make.  Planning to sell within that time is great, but if property values are going down (and given closing costs and brokers fees, really even not going up that fast), that very well may be impossible.  In any event, your last gamble worked out pretty well it seems, so maybe this one will too--and it also appears that you aren't like a lot of people with ARMs who couldn't afford payments under any circumstance when the teaser rates expire.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Locally housing prices have gone down as well. In addition, population went down as well. The San Diego CA area has succeeded a little too well at pricing itself out of the reach of most people.

We are talking about housing sales in upscale neighborhoods by and large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Locally housing prices have gone down as well. In addition, population went down as well. The San Diego CA area has succeeded a little too well at pricing itself out of the reach of most people.</p>
<p>We are talking about housing sales in upscale neighborhoods by and large.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/housing_bust_/comment-page-1/#comment-95798</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wonder if there isn&#039;t some political motivation on the part of Mr. Drum in even attempting to address this particular subject.  

Let&#039;s see.  We have midterm elections coming up. What possible motivation could Mr. Drummond have to be talking about this particular subject and expressing what Steve correctly labels as &quot;misplaced pessimism&quot;, do you suppose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't help but wonder if there isn't some political motivation on the part of Mr. Drum in even attempting to address this particular subject.  </p>
<p>Let's see.  We have midterm elections coming up. What possible motivation could Mr. Drummond have to be talking about this particular subject and expressing what Steve correctly labels as "misplaced pessimism", do you suppose?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

In a market like DC&#039;s, first-time purchasers simply have to jump in somewhere. Further, when I bought my townhouse, I was 95% sure that I&#039;d move before the 5 years were up. Indeed, the only reason I stayed a full two years was that leaving earlier had significant disadvantages from a capital gains perspective.

On our new house, the difference between an ARM and a conventional is nearly $500 a month.  We could swing that if we had to but at significant cost to our lifestyle.  We figured the potential risks at the end of the 5 year period were well worth the known benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>In a market like DC's, first-time purchasers simply have to jump in somewhere. Further, when I bought my townhouse, I was 95% sure that I'd move before the 5 years were up. Indeed, the only reason I stayed a full two years was that leaving earlier had significant disadvantages from a capital gains perspective.</p>
<p>On our new house, the difference between an ARM and a conventional is nearly $500 a month.  We could swing that if we had to but at significant cost to our lifestyle.  We figured the potential risks at the end of the 5 year period were well worth the known benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/housing_bust_/comment-page-1/#comment-95784</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The monthly payment is far lower than on a conventional fixed rate loan and most people will sell their home and move well before the rates become variable or they’re forced to refinance.&quot;

Yes, in an appreciating market, most people will sell their homes before the interest rates spike up on their 5/1 or 7/1 ARMs.  Unfortunately, if the market is depreciating or flat between purchase and sale, that&#039;s probably not going to be the case--few people are going to sell their homes for a lot less than they paid for them (especially once closing costs and brokers fees are included), except as a matter of last resort.

Quite frankly, if the reason that you opted for an ARM is that you couldn&#039;t afford 30 year fixed payments, then that was a deeply irresponsible choice to make.  Being able to earn more than the interest you&#039;d pay on a standard mortgage?  Fine.  Sporadic (but lucrative) income pattern that lets you pay off big chunks a couple of times a year (but maybe not make monthly payments)?  Also OK.  But &quot;the only way I can possibly afford this house is a mortgage where my payments spike up to even more unaffordable levels in 5-7 years&quot;?  Dude, you are a foreclosure just begging to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The monthly payment is far lower than on a conventional fixed rate loan and most people will sell their home and move well before the rates become variable or they&rsquo;re forced to refinance."</p>
<p>Yes, in an appreciating market, most people will sell their homes before the interest rates spike up on their 5/1 or 7/1 ARMs.  Unfortunately, if the market is depreciating or flat between purchase and sale, that's probably not going to be the case--few people are going to sell their homes for a lot less than they paid for them (especially once closing costs and brokers fees are included), except as a matter of last resort.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, if the reason that you opted for an ARM is that you couldn't afford 30 year fixed payments, then that was a deeply irresponsible choice to make.  Being able to earn more than the interest you'd pay on a standard mortgage?  Fine.  Sporadic (but lucrative) income pattern that lets you pay off big chunks a couple of times a year (but maybe not make monthly payments)?  Also OK.  But "the only way I can possibly afford this house is a mortgage where my payments spike up to even more unaffordable levels in 5-7 years"?  Dude, you are a foreclosure just begging to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So 10-20% annual losses are a soft landing? Wow, what kinda losses would mean the bubble had really popped?

Sure, it&#039;s great that you&#039;re seeing a net profit...this year. But maybe all that means is that you got out quick enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So 10-20% annual losses are a soft landing? Wow, what kinda losses would mean the bubble had really popped?</p>
<p>Sure, it's great that you're seeing a net profit...this year. But maybe all that means is that you got out quick enough.</p>
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		<title>By: lamonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>lamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - before I can believe you might know something about the local housing market I have to believe that you know how to spell McLean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James - before I can believe you might know something about the local housing market I have to believe that you know how to spell McLean!</p>
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		<title>By: Wm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as another anecdote experience.  Closed on my Falls Church, Fairfax house last week (took about 4.5 months to sell).  3BR 2BA starter home.  Could have sold it a year ago for $560,000 - $575,000 - final sales price was $510,000.  About a 9 - 11% drop.  But bought it 6 years ago, and made a ~190% profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as another anecdote experience.  Closed on my Falls Church, Fairfax house last week (took about 4.5 months to sell).  3BR 2BA starter home.  Could have sold it a year ago for $560,000 - $575,000 - final sales price was $510,000.  About a 9 - 11% drop.  But bought it 6 years ago, and made a ~190% profit.</p>
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		<title>By: donsurber</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/housing_bust_/comment-page-1/#comment-95768</link>
		<dc:creator>donsurber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One nice thing about WV, our values never went up :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One nice thing about WV, our values never went up :)</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Housing bubble ... yawn ... here I am having a slow-ass Monday, and so is OTB, it appears.

Somebody please post about how the theory of evolution is what&#039;s causing us to lose in Iraq, okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Housing bubble ... yawn ... here I am having a slow-ass Monday, and so is OTB, it appears.</p>
<p>Somebody please post about how the theory of evolution is what's causing us to lose in Iraq, okay?</p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think whether there is a boom or a bust depends a lot on where you are living.

The market here is still very high, much higher than it was when we bought 5 years ago, and it hasn&#039;t started to drop as of yet.

I do suspect at some point the market around here will probably go down some, I honestly don&#039;t see the housing going up much more than it currently is for our area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think whether there is a boom or a bust depends a lot on where you are living.</p>
<p>The market here is still very high, much higher than it was when we bought 5 years ago, and it hasn't started to drop as of yet.</p>
<p>I do suspect at some point the market around here will probably go down some, I honestly don't see the housing going up much more than it currently is for our area.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fed is taking no official notice of the housing bubble; they&#039;re raising rates because inflation is perking up and they were unsustainably low before, not because they want to do you out of home equity gains. ;-)

That said, while housing bubbles take much longer to pop than other kinds of asset price bubbles, and the prices don&#039;t drop as far, a 20% decrease is far from unheard of.  Also, the flip side is that recovery tends to take quite a while . . . it can take ten years or more to recoup the losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fed is taking no official notice of the housing bubble; they're raising rates because inflation is perking up and they were unsustainably low before, not because they want to do you out of home equity gains. ;-)</p>
<p>That said, while housing bubbles take much longer to pop than other kinds of asset price bubbles, and the prices don't drop as far, a 20% decrease is far from unheard of.  Also, the flip side is that recovery tends to take quite a while . . . it can take ten years or more to recoup the losses.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the DC area is a rather unrepresentative sample&#8212;there&#039;s a certain amount of regular turnover that&#039;s built into the system there due to changes in administration that&#039;s not the case elsewhere (turns is one of the factors in housing price increases) and there&#039;s also some insurance because it&#039;s not too likely they&#039;ll be opening up another federal government somewhere else.  That was tried 150 years ago or so.  How did that come out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the DC area is a rather unrepresentative sample&mdash;there's a certain amount of regular turnover that's built into the system there due to changes in administration that's not the case elsewhere (turns is one of the factors in housing price increases) and there's also some insurance because it's not too likely they'll be opening up another federal government somewhere else.  That was tried 150 years ago or so.  How did that come out?</p>
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		<title>By: Political Animal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Housing Bubble News...&lt;/strong&gt;

HOUSING BUBBLE NEWS....James Joyner comments on the housing bubble in the Washington DC area:Our current house sold for about 87% of what it likely would have sold for one year agobut 140% of what my wife paid for it a......</description>
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<p>HOUSING BUBBLE NEWS....James Joyner comments on the housing bubble in the Washington DC area:Our current house sold for about 87% of what it likely would have sold for one year agobut 140% of what my wife paid for it a......</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are a first time buyer, should you want to root for a &quot; housing bust &quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are a first time buyer, should you want to root for a " housing bust " ?</p>
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