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		<title>By: An Interested Party</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/human_development_map_is_bunk/comment-page-1/#comment-1049343</link>
		<dc:creator>An Interested Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have no idea what the &quot;Democrat party&quot; is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, that&#039;s easy...a silly, childish slur used by people who think that simple name-calling is a legitimate way to advance an argument...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have no idea what the "Democrat party" is.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, that's easy...a silly, childish slur used by people who think that simple name-calling is a legitimate way to advance an argument...</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have no idea what the &quot;Democrat party&quot; is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LOL.... Well, you just stick to that story, Rick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have no idea what the "Democrat party" is.</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL.... Well, you just stick to that story, Rick.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/human_development_map_is_bunk/comment-page-1/#comment-1048846</link>
		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When comparing Mississippi and Hawaii are we comparing &quot;development&quot; or race?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
For those two states in particular I would guess it was more about race (and factors associated with same) than development.  My point was that the factors including life span are not so uniform as was implied by the post.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Both Mississippi and Hawaii consistently come in at the bottom of the scale for standard of living in the US.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Depends on how you define standard of living.  I much preferred living in HI to living in AL (pretty close to the same as MS).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When comparing Mississippi and Hawaii are we comparing "development" or race?</p></blockquote>
<p>For those two states in particular I would guess it was more about race (and factors associated with same) than development.  My point was that the factors including life span are not so uniform as was implied by the post.</p>
<blockquote><p>Both Mississippi and Hawaii consistently come in at the bottom of the scale for standard of living in the US.</p></blockquote>
<p>Depends on how you define standard of living.  I much preferred living in HI to living in AL (pretty close to the same as MS).</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Almeida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Almeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;d also suggest there is something of a difference between being a liberal stronghold and a Democrat party one, which is why I double clutched that in my original response.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have no idea what the &quot;Democrat party&quot; is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'd also suggest there is something of a difference between being a liberal stronghold and a Democrat party one, which is why I double clutched that in my original response.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no idea what the "Democrat party" is.</p>
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		<title>By: spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Mississippi and Hawaii consistently come in at the bottom of the scale for standard of living in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Mississippi and Hawaii consistently come in at the bottom of the scale for standard of living in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Nightly Ramble: The &#8220;Still in the truckstop&#8221; edition &#124; BitsBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nightly Ramble: The &#8220;Still in the truckstop&#8221; edition &#124; BitsBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HDI is Bunk: James Joyner, freshly back form his vacation yesterday posts this morning some comments about the so-called &#8220;Human development Index&#8221;. Let&#8217;s just say he finds it wanting, essentially doesn&#8217;t think it makes sense for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] HDI is Bunk: James Joyner, freshly back form his vacation yesterday posts this morning some comments about the so-called &#8220;Human development Index&#8221;. Let&#8217;s just say he finds it wanting, essentially doesn&#8217;t think it makes sense for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;According to census projections the range of life expectancy by state ranges between 73.7 for Mississippi to 79.8 for Hawaii.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The life expectancy of African-Americans is about 73.1 and for whites it&#039;s 78.3.  I couldn&#039;t find any comparable numbers for Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, but they appear to have life expectancies in the eighties.  When comparing Mississippi and Hawaii are we comparing &quot;development&quot; or race?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>According to census projections the range of life expectancy by state ranges between 73.7 for Mississippi to 79.8 for Hawaii.</p></blockquote>
<p>The life expectancy of African-Americans is about 73.1 and for whites it's 78.3.  I couldn't find any comparable numbers for Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, but they appear to have life expectancies in the eighties.  When comparing Mississippi and Hawaii are we comparing "development" or race?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I couldn&#039;t find a partisan breakdown of the state legislature, but a Democratic stronghold, it sure ain&#039;t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While your point is well taken, I&#039;d point at NOLA. I&#039;d also suggest there is something of a difference between being a liberal stronghold and a Democrat party one, which is why I double clutched that in my original response.  As the party has moved left, they&#039;ve been slowly losing power outside NOLA. Inside it.... well...

See, I suspect based on my short run down there years ago, that outside NOLA, they tend toward &#039;Democrat&#039; in the &#039;southern democrat&#039; mold, whereas NOLA seems to be unabashedly liberal. (Explains Ray Nagin, for example, and the city council, there, for that matter) 

Admittedly, I haven&#039;t researched that point lately,(And as you point out, the local stuff isn&#039;t exactly easy to locate from our perspective)  but then again, even with Katrina, I&#039;ve never seen anything to cause me to think the assumption was in error, either.  

Hmmm. Used to know a guy that worked at WWL. Wonder what ever happened to him, or if he&#039;s still there. Maybe I can tap him for some flavor on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I couldn't find a partisan breakdown of the state legislature, but a Democratic stronghold, it sure ain't.</p></blockquote>
<p>While your point is well taken, I'd point at NOLA. I'd also suggest there is something of a difference between being a liberal stronghold and a Democrat party one, which is why I double clutched that in my original response.  As the party has moved left, they've been slowly losing power outside NOLA. Inside it.... well...</p>
<p>See, I suspect based on my short run down there years ago, that outside NOLA, they tend toward 'Democrat' in the 'southern democrat' mold, whereas NOLA seems to be unabashedly liberal. (Explains Ray Nagin, for example, and the city council, there, for that matter) </p>
<p>Admittedly, I haven't researched that point lately,(And as you point out, the local stuff isn't exactly easy to locate from our perspective)  but then again, even with Katrina, I've never seen anything to cause me to think the assumption was in error, either.  </p>
<p>Hmmm. Used to know a guy that worked at WWL. Wonder what ever happened to him, or if he's still there. Maybe I can tap him for some flavor on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Grewgills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grewgills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It turns out that the “index” considers only three elements:  Life expectancy at birth, Adult literacy and education, and a variant of GDP per capita.   It turns out that the first two of these are so uniform across the 50 states as to be negligible, making the last the main determinant of the ranking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
According to census projections the range of life expectancy by state ranges between 73.7 for Mississippi to 79.8 for Hawaii.  Is that so uniform as to be negligible?
According to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NCES&lt;/a&gt; the percent lacking basic prose literacy skills in MS is ~16% and is ~7% in Vermont.  Again is this really so uniform as to be negligible.
Looking at education states range from TX&#039;s 78.3% HS graduation rate to MN&#039;s 92.3%.  For college the range extends from WV&#039;s 16% with a BA or BS to MA&#039;s 37.4%.  So I don&#039;t think they really qualify as being so uniform as to make differences negligible.
The study may be bunk, but apparently not because of the uniformity of life expectancy at birth, uniformity of education, or uniformity of adult literacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It turns out that the “index” considers only three elements:  Life expectancy at birth, Adult literacy and education, and a variant of GDP per capita.   It turns out that the first two of these are so uniform across the 50 states as to be negligible, making the last the main determinant of the ranking.</p></blockquote>
<p>According to census projections the range of life expectancy by state ranges between 73.7 for Mississippi to 79.8 for Hawaii.  Is that so uniform as to be negligible?<br />
According to the <a href="http://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx" rel="nofollow">NCES</a> the percent lacking basic prose literacy skills in MS is ~16% and is ~7% in Vermont.  Again is this really so uniform as to be negligible.<br />
Looking at education states range from TX's 78.3% HS graduation rate to MN's 92.3%.  For college the range extends from WV's 16% with a BA or BS to MA's 37.4%.  So I don't think they really qualify as being so uniform as to make differences negligible.<br />
The study may be bunk, but apparently not because of the uniformity of life expectancy at birth, uniformity of education, or uniformity of adult literacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they&#039;re using tools that &lt;b&gt;might&lt;/b&gt; be useful for comparing the development of the U. S. to that of Rwanda to measure the difference between states within the U. S.  As should be expected the margin of error of the measurement exceeds the differences observed.

As odograph observes above, that may be fun but it&#039;s not useful for devising policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they're using tools that <b>might</b> be useful for comparing the development of the U. S. to that of Rwanda to measure the difference between states within the U. S.  As should be expected the margin of error of the measurement exceeds the differences observed.</p>
<p>As odograph observes above, that may be fun but it's not useful for devising policy.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that if Governor Palin got her way (drill, baby, drill), the human development of Alaska would simply have gone off the charts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that if Governor Palin got her way (drill, baby, drill), the human development of Alaska would simply have gone off the charts.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting link, Spencer.

The cost of living adjustments do appear to tend to move states like Massachusetts down from 6th to 25 in GDP per capita rank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting link, Spencer.</p>
<p>The cost of living adjustments do appear to tend to move states like Massachusetts down from 6th to 25 in GDP per capita rank.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Almeida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Almeida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Places like Louisiana, for example are certainly Democrat strongholds, but I would argue are never considered, even by liberals, to be among the liberal elite.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Silliness.

Consider the top 11 elected positions in LA: of the governor, lt. gov, 2 senators, 7 reps, 3 are Democrats - the lieutenant governor, 1 senator, 1 representative.  LA also has not given its electoral votes to a Democratic presidential candidate since 1996, but voted Republican in 1988, 1984, and 1980.

I couldn&#039;t find a partisan breakdown of the state legislature, but a Democratic stronghold, it sure ain&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Places like Louisiana, for example are certainly Democrat strongholds, but I would argue are never considered, even by liberals, to be among the liberal elite.</p></blockquote>
<p>Silliness.</p>
<p>Consider the top 11 elected positions in LA: of the governor, lt. gov, 2 senators, 7 reps, 3 are Democrats - the lieutenant governor, 1 senator, 1 representative.  LA also has not given its electoral votes to a Democratic presidential candidate since 1996, but voted Republican in 1988, 1984, and 1980.</p>
<p>I couldn't find a partisan breakdown of the state legislature, but a Democratic stronghold, it sure ain't.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course it&#039;s bunk. But since I&#039;m in a dark green state I&#039;m going to get a kick out of it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh. Virginia&#039;s dark green, too, thanks mostly to NoVa.  But it&#039;s still silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course it's bunk. But since I'm in a dark green state I'm going to get a kick out of it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. Virginia's dark green, too, thanks mostly to NoVa.  But it's still silly.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
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		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s bunk.  But since I&#039;m in a dark green state I&#039;m going to get a kick out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it's bunk.  But since I'm in a dark green state I'm going to get a kick out of it.</p>
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