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		<title>By: Mammal</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/huzzah_for_provincialism/comment-page-1/#comment-457559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mammal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my citizenship ceremony, when I became a citizen of the US, they played a welcome video from the President, George W. Bush, who expressed the sentiment that America welcomes, values and hopes to learn from my bringing my culture into the mix that is America. Not just my culture, but those of the other hundreds of people from 81 other countries represented that day in the hall where we became Americans. I&#039;m not sure why the video was played only to us... Bush should distribute it widely. It&#039;s clear that many Americans (at least many who post here) are decidedly NOT interested in anything foreign, in multiculturalism, in understanding or learning from or about other cultures. At least our President cares, whatever his other faults may be. Language is one road to understanding. The &quot;my way or the highway&quot; approach is so old, so passe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my citizenship ceremony, when I became a citizen of the US, they played a welcome video from the President, George W. Bush, who expressed the sentiment that America welcomes, values and hopes to learn from my bringing my culture into the mix that is America. Not just my culture, but those of the other hundreds of people from 81 other countries represented that day in the hall where we became Americans. I'm not sure why the video was played only to us... Bush should distribute it widely. It's clear that many Americans (at least many who post here) are decidedly NOT interested in anything foreign, in multiculturalism, in understanding or learning from or about other cultures. At least our President cares, whatever his other faults may be. Language is one road to understanding. The "my way or the highway" approach is so old, so passe.</p>
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		<title>By: Halo</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/huzzah_for_provincialism/comment-page-1/#comment-457521</link>
		<dc:creator>Halo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The responses here lean so far into the stratosphere of ethnocentric I can&#039;t believe there&#039;s evidence of intellect mired inside some of you&#039;re skulls. Listen, I think Senator Obama( to be fair) meant his comments as of a linguistic antebellum, where as everyday adults, not just their children and grandchildren, can step away from selfish language means and broader their scope of other cultures. To understand another culture is to communicate with them. I speak English and Spanish( part due to education, and part due to my girlfriend who&#039;s a high school foreign language teacher--no she&#039;s hot hispanic!).

To decry Senator Obama&#039;s statement as heresy against the informal &quot;right way&quot; of communicating, is sheer arrogance. He wishes for Americans to just be more accepting of learning a foreign language, in which to enrich ourselves, our understanding, and economic possibilities.

We can&#039;t sling s&amp;%$ and piss forever..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The responses here lean so far into the stratosphere of ethnocentric I can't believe there's evidence of intellect mired inside some of you're skulls. Listen, I think Senator Obama( to be fair) meant his comments as of a linguistic antebellum, where as everyday adults, not just their children and grandchildren, can step away from selfish language means and broader their scope of other cultures. To understand another culture is to communicate with them. I speak English and Spanish( part due to education, and part due to my girlfriend who's a high school foreign language teacher--no she's hot hispanic!).</p>
<p>To decry Senator Obama's statement as heresy against the informal "right way" of communicating, is sheer arrogance. He wishes for Americans to just be more accepting of learning a foreign language, in which to enrich ourselves, our understanding, and economic possibilities.</p>
<p>We can't sling s&amp;%$ and piss forever..</p>
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		<title>By: GOP, the Know-Nothing Party&#160;&#124;&#160;Bloggers For Change</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOP, the Know-Nothing Party&#160;&#124;&#160;Bloggers For Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] right-wingers flew into a rage at Obama&#039;s un-American call for better language skills. For example, John McCormack at the Weakly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/huzzah_for_provincialism/comment-page-1/#comment-449580</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billy Bob:

Well, I live perhaps 200 miles out of Quebec, and have been there many times, so I find it amusing you tie onto that particular argument. 

I don&#039;t recall many of the French Canadians coming here and being angry about speaking English.... though they do make lots of angry nosies about how everyone else needs to be speaking (their version of) French while in Quebec.

I would suggest a visit to Montreal as an educational trip. Try sticking to English while on said trip. Get back to us with how you fare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy Bob:</p>
<p>Well, I live perhaps 200 miles out of Quebec, and have been there many times, so I find it amusing you tie onto that particular argument. </p>
<p>I don't recall many of the French Canadians coming here and being angry about speaking English.... though they do make lots of angry nosies about how everyone else needs to be speaking (their version of) French while in Quebec.</p>
<p>I would suggest a visit to Montreal as an educational trip. Try sticking to English while on said trip. Get back to us with how you fare.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His statement is idiocy on so many levels.  First, he completely mischaracterizes the debate - &quot;English only&quot; is primarily about how to educate and assimilate immigrants, especially families with children in public school.  Next, his statement that Americans don&#039;t know French and somehow &quot;embarrass&quot; him when they go to Europe is completely false.  I and millions of other people do know French, and we&#039;re sorry he never took the time to learn something he now thinks is important.  Third, I learned French in school - like most Americans i was required to take a second language in both HS and college, so if you graduate you probably know some French or Spanish.  Fourth, telling 300m Americans to learn Spanish so they can talk to 10m new immigrants is ridiculous.  If they want to come to work in live in the US, they should learn some English, just like if I went to China to live and work, I better get some Mandarin and Cantonese under my belt.

Democrats:  This is your nominee.  Starting to wonder if Dean-Axelrod-Pelosi-Reid-Brazille have taken you down the wrong path?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His statement is idiocy on so many levels.  First, he completely mischaracterizes the debate - "English only" is primarily about how to educate and assimilate immigrants, especially families with children in public school.  Next, his statement that Americans don't know French and somehow "embarrass" him when they go to Europe is completely false.  I and millions of other people do know French, and we're sorry he never took the time to learn something he now thinks is important.  Third, I learned French in school - like most Americans i was required to take a second language in both HS and college, so if you graduate you probably know some French or Spanish.  Fourth, telling 300m Americans to learn Spanish so they can talk to 10m new immigrants is ridiculous.  If they want to come to work in live in the US, they should learn some English, just like if I went to China to live and work, I better get some Mandarin and Cantonese under my belt.</p>
<p>Democrats:  This is your nominee.  Starting to wonder if Dean-Axelrod-Pelosi-Reid-Brazille have taken you down the wrong path?</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bob Tweed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Bob Tweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Schuler says, &quot;Many Americans can travel 1,000 miles in any direction and not find that even their knowledge of Spanish (or any other language other than English)...&quot;

A brief cursory glance shows me that all of the north-east, from Maine down to Georgia -- plus the mid-west, covering Michigan, Illinois and the Ohio Valley -- is within a thousand miles of Quebec. Unless I&#039;m mistaken, most of those Quebeckers speak French.

Similarly, the entire states of California and Texas -- and most of the south-west -- is within a thousand miles of Mexico. Unless I&#039;m mistaken, most of those Mexicans speak Spanish.

We don&#039;t have to like those Frenchies and Mexicans, but we needn&#039;t keep pretending these people don&#039;t exist. The reality is most Americans live within a thousand miles from distinctly foreign cultures and languages. They&#039;re our neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Schuler says, "Many Americans can travel 1,000 miles in any direction and not find that even their knowledge of Spanish (or any other language other than English)..."</p>
<p>A brief cursory glance shows me that all of the north-east, from Maine down to Georgia -- plus the mid-west, covering Michigan, Illinois and the Ohio Valley -- is within a thousand miles of Quebec. Unless I'm mistaken, most of those Quebeckers speak French.</p>
<p>Similarly, the entire states of California and Texas -- and most of the south-west -- is within a thousand miles of Mexico. Unless I'm mistaken, most of those Mexicans speak Spanish.</p>
<p>We don't have to like those Frenchies and Mexicans, but we needn't keep pretending these people don't exist. The reality is most Americans live within a thousand miles from distinctly foreign cultures and languages. They're our neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: ZapPow</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZapPow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnG,

What is the foreign country where Obama went &quot;to talk about how Americans suck&quot; ?</description>
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<p>What is the foreign country where Obama went "to talk about how Americans suck" ?</p>
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		<title>By: Pass the arugula &#124; Five Before Chaos</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/huzzah_for_provincialism/comment-page-1/#comment-448820</link>
		<dc:creator>Pass the arugula &#124; Five Before Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has had it with the ridiculousness of it, and in the process, succinctly defines the problem in stark, no-bullshit terms: Frankly, all this seems to be is a pathetic attempt to feed the “Barack Obama is Unamerican” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has had it with the ridiculousness of it, and in the process, succinctly defines the problem in stark, no-bullshit terms: Frankly, all this seems to be is a pathetic attempt to feed the “Barack Obama is Unamerican” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not that it&#039;s my job to do your research for you, but back in January, Barack Obama gave a speech addressing the &quot;immigrants must learn English&quot; issue, which was criticized by Clinton supporters at the time:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fine, Alex. I found one or two myself. But notice, please, the sparse, almost non-existent coverage such events got from the news media, even those showing all the signs of being in the pocket for Obama. Or, come to think on it, CNN&lt; either, which was as usual the CLinton news Network.  I mean, nothing at all was made of it. Why? Well, for one thing, it&#039;d tick off Democrats, no?  No problem, though, spreading this one around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not that it's my job to do your research for you, but back in January, Barack Obama gave a speech addressing the "immigrants must learn English" issue, which was criticized by Clinton supporters at the time:</p></blockquote>
<p>Fine, Alex. I found one or two myself. But notice, please, the sparse, almost non-existent coverage such events got from the news media, even those showing all the signs of being in the pocket for Obama. Or, come to think on it, CNN&lt; either, which was as usual the CLinton news Network.  I mean, nothing at all was made of it. Why? Well, for one thing, it'd tick off Democrats, no?  No problem, though, spreading this one around.</p>
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		<title>By: RW Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obamas send their daughters to an extremely expensive private school, the University of Chicago Lab School. French, German and Spanish appear to be options available from 3rd grade on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obamas send their daughters to an extremely expensive private school, the University of Chicago Lab School. French, German and Spanish appear to be options available from 3rd grade on.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick T. McGuire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick T. McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a true story:

When I was in high school, I was told I needed to study a foreign language and had a choice of the standard three at the time: Spanish, French, and German. I was a few hundred miles from the Mexican border and thought I might one day go to Tijuana, so I spent two years studying Spanish.

By the time I was in college, I was in Beirut, Lebanon where everyone spoke French so I spent two years studying French (with great difficulty I might add).

After graduation, I ended up in Dubai, working for a German company where all the execs sneered at me because I couldn&#039;t speak their language (even though the company conducted its business in English as most other companies did at the time).

Having continually made the wrong choice of foreign language to study, I gave up trying. But I was able to travel the world, speaking English everywhere I went, with no trouble so I don&#039;t feel inadequate in any way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a true story:</p>
<p>When I was in high school, I was told I needed to study a foreign language and had a choice of the standard three at the time: Spanish, French, and German. I was a few hundred miles from the Mexican border and thought I might one day go to Tijuana, so I spent two years studying Spanish.</p>
<p>By the time I was in college, I was in Beirut, Lebanon where everyone spoke French so I spent two years studying French (with great difficulty I might add).</p>
<p>After graduation, I ended up in Dubai, working for a German company where all the execs sneered at me because I couldn't speak their language (even though the company conducted its business in English as most other companies did at the time).</p>
<p>Having continually made the wrong choice of foreign language to study, I gave up trying. But I was able to travel the world, speaking English everywhere I went, with no trouble so I don't feel inadequate in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama ist geisteskrankes treasonous und ungeeignet, in der wichtigen Stellung zu dienen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama ist geisteskrankes treasonous und ungeeignet, in der wichtigen Stellung zu dienen.</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barack Obama, Multi-Lingualism, And Idiocy In The Blogosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barack Obama, Multi-Lingualism, And Idiocy In The Blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner seems to be alone among those on the right who see this for what it is: Frankly, all this seems to be is a pathetic attempt to feed the “Barack Obama is Unamerican” narrative. A narrative that, I might add, has the result of making Americans sound like ignorant hillbillies. “He’s got a funny name!” “He likes food that tastes good instead of crap that’s fried in lard!” “He likes foreigners!” “He wants to speak other languages!” “He’s educated!” “He played basketball instead of football!” Embarrassing, really. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner seems to be alone among those on the right who see this for what it is: Frankly, all this seems to be is a pathetic attempt to feed the “Barack Obama is Unamerican” narrative. A narrative that, I might add, has the result of making Americans sound like ignorant hillbillies. “He&rsquo;s got a funny name!” “He likes food that tastes good instead of crap that&rsquo;s fried in lard!” “He likes foreigners!” “He wants to speak other languages!” “He&rsquo;s educated!” “He played basketball instead of football!” Embarrassing, really. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hln</title>
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		<dc:creator>hln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama&#039;d just left off the Europeans part, all this would have been fine, as James somewhat stated. We conservatives do rankle at being compared negatively to Europeans.  

That being said, there&#039;s a great advantage to knowing more than one language, and it&#039;s well, well beyond &quot;conversing with workmen in Spanish&quot; when looking at where I expect the global economy to be in 20 years. We got English/Spanish board books for our sons just to get them versed early with the idea of the need to know more than one language (and they get a few early foreign words in the vocabulary to boot).

July&#039;s 2004 Reason sat open on my kitchen table yesterday, and my during lunch I thumbed to an article about globalization and the myths of the global economy&#039;s drain on American jobs.  It posited that the America jobs have become higher level as a result of outsourcing some of the more menial tasks (as well as those that are classified as menial tech - like pure code monkeying) have made greater, more challenging jobs for those of us who are stateside in the same fields.  If the trend continues (more global trade, more shifts in the types of jobs we&#039;re doing), there&#039;s more international business.  More international business means more need for both understanding of other cultures and the ability to at converse and/or read another language. And with a weaker dollar and a glut of free trade agreements with many countries (The US has NAFTA, CAFTA (Central American), Chile, Australia, and Peru&#039;s in the works...and that&#039;s just off the top of my head), exports are more attractive.

I&#039;m at an awful loss in part of what I do professionally in speaking only one language and being able to glean root words and meanings in a few others. 

Heather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama'd just left off the Europeans part, all this would have been fine, as James somewhat stated. We conservatives do rankle at being compared negatively to Europeans.  </p>
<p>That being said, there's a great advantage to knowing more than one language, and it's well, well beyond "conversing with workmen in Spanish" when looking at where I expect the global economy to be in 20 years. We got English/Spanish board books for our sons just to get them versed early with the idea of the need to know more than one language (and they get a few early foreign words in the vocabulary to boot).</p>
<p>July's 2004 Reason sat open on my kitchen table yesterday, and my during lunch I thumbed to an article about globalization and the myths of the global economy's drain on American jobs.  It posited that the America jobs have become higher level as a result of outsourcing some of the more menial tasks (as well as those that are classified as menial tech - like pure code monkeying) have made greater, more challenging jobs for those of us who are stateside in the same fields.  If the trend continues (more global trade, more shifts in the types of jobs we're doing), there's more international business.  More international business means more need for both understanding of other cultures and the ability to at converse and/or read another language. And with a weaker dollar and a glut of free trade agreements with many countries (The US has NAFTA, CAFTA (Central American), Chile, Australia, and Peru's in the works...and that's just off the top of my head), exports are more attractive.</p>
<p>I'm at an awful loss in part of what I do professionally in speaking only one language and being able to glean root words and meanings in a few others. </p>
<p>Heather</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bithead,

Not that it&#039;s my job to do your research for you, but back in January, Barack Obama gave a speech addressing the &quot;immigrants must learn English&quot; issue, which was criticized by Clinton supporters at the time:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/12/231431/542

Also, Barack Obama&#039;s own website has this in its issues section.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/#out-of-shadows

By the way, I found these things using a sophsticated computer program known as &quot;Google&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bithead,</p>
<p>Not that it's my job to do your research for you, but back in January, Barack Obama gave a speech addressing the "immigrants must learn English" issue, which was criticized by Clinton supporters at the time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/12/231431/542" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/12/231431/542</a></p>
<p>Also, Barack Obama's own website has this in its issues section.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/#out-of-shadows" rel="nofollow">http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/#out-of-shadows</a></p>
<p>By the way, I found these things using a sophsticated computer program known as "Google".</p>
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