p.s. Why does any one want to come to the jobless recovery economy of a theocratic Amerika anyway?

I'd recommend against the kool-aid in the future John. Sheesh.

Was the question of them being in the front or back of the line the key point to my comment? I guess so since all the rest was ignored. The question of the fine being $5 or $50000 having an impact on whether you could call it amnesty is meaningless. Any amount would indicate that they have been sufficiently punished to make it not an amnesty.

As far as line jumping, lets see where we are at. A person who wants to legally immigrate is not allowed into the country to get a job. He must wait until all the paper work is approved, then he can come and work here while further waiting for citizenship. The illegal immigrant gets to be ahead of the legal immigrant for everything until the line forms to be a citizen. Again, how many people would be happy to go with that.

Imagine how many people from Asia or Africa would love to get a tourist visa, over stay the visa, declare themselves an illegal immigrant, pay a fine and be able to start working here. Much easier than getting a work visa. But by golly, we will punish them by not letting them jump the line at the citizenship counter. I mean, someone who comes here illegally is obviously greatly more motivated by their chances for citizenship than they are for the chance to work in the US.

p.s. Why does any one want to come to the jobless recovery economy of a theocratic Amerika anyway?

You are a master at twisting words as well as picking out the part of a comment you answer. You made a second offense and you know as well as I that was what I was referring to.

Uhhhhmmm no, what second offense would that be? I entered the car pool lane too soon, that was it. I paid all fines, fees, etc. and "did my time".

Why don�t you supply an answer to the latest offense where you did get off Scot free and then had the audacity to brag about it.

Let me see...I paid the fine, fees, and time...nope, I don't see it as "getting off Scot free". Or do you mean some other traffic violation. Okay, I admit it, today I made a lane change and didn't use my blinker. I didn't get stopped on that one...dang I guess you're right again Herb. Maybe I should be deported.

Are you sure you are not a politic an in disguise and placing post here to advance you political career.

If I ever tried to be a politician said career wouldn't last as long as a mayfly. I tend to call people idiots when they act like idiots...and given that is the standard for most politicians....

You are a master at twisting words as well as picking out the part of a comment you answer. You made a second offense and you know as well as I that was what I was referring to. Why don't you supply an answer to the latest offense where you did get off Scot free and then had the audacity to brag about it.

Are you sure you are not a politic an in disguise and placing post here to advance you political career. You answer comments like a politican by not answering comments. At any rate, you sure do write like a politican.

The "immigration problem" is a political problem, and the solution will be a political solution.

Revealing that, not withstanding all the catcalls amongst the proponents of identity politics(usually rather affluent themselves) that a cornucopia of tangentially related issues, including the obvious race, or gender, sexual preference, are actually subserviant to wealth in determining ones 'place'.

Yet racist white America wants to slam down all people of color...

I DEMAND AN INQUISITION... Oops

I DEMAND AN INVESTIGATION!

Should one manufacture outrage over the original topic, manufacture outrage at Malkins manufactured outrage, or manufacture outrage over your manufactured outrage over Malkins manufactured outrage? /snark.

It is quite simple bains, just manufacture outrage...over anything. It will get you readers to your blog and that can mean bucks via ad space and maybe even a book deal. So manufacture away my young apprentice.

You broke the law Steve, but you got away Scot free because of where you live.

Uhhmmm, what part of over $400+ and 8 hours in a boring classroom is "scot free"?

One thing Midwesterners know is, â??that if there is a goofy Law, it will be in Californiaâ??. Your â??good luck is not an excuse and you should have had to pay up from your own pocket.

Uhhh...what? I did pay out of my own pocket. I paid the fine, the fee, and the class fee, so what part did I "not pay"?

If you for one minute think that there should be exceptions to breaking the law, then you are definitely â??Anti Americanâ?? by your thought processes.

My God, you're right Herb! Down with America! Shoot all traffic violators NOW!!!

The â??border violatorsâ?? are breaking our laws and there is no excuse invented yet that will or should be made for their indiscretion for breaking our law.

Right again Herb, kill them all, God will know his own.

Should one manufacture outrage over the original topic, manufacture outrage at Malkins manufactured outrage, or manufacture outrage over your manufactured outrage over Malkins manufactured outrage? /snark.

I've several family members and friends (Swedes and Swiss) that have gone through the naturalization process. They feel that irrespective of the hoops an illegal would have to to through for citizenship, the fact that they are here illegally must be part of the consideration. One suggested that in addition to a substantial fine - e.g. several thousand per year of illegality - a mandatory probationary period during which certain crimes carry a mandatory deportation sentence. Without tangible punishment, or threat of punishment, and more than what they see in Bush's proposed immigration reform, they think of it as amnesty.

Also, sounds like you need to take another course in "Traffic School" or lesson to get up a little earlier or learn to plan your day a little better so you won't be a "Tad Late".

The "border violators" are breaking our laws and there is no excuse invented yet that will or should be made for their indiscretion for breaking our law.

The problem isn't the immigration as the dopey policies we have put in place. Nobody talks about changing them. Why? Because supsidizing white people is okay, but not the brown ones?

YAJ,

So the real question is how much it would cost to buy yourself free from the illegal immigration rap. Lets say it was $5000 (which I believe is more than has been quoted, but lets start there). How many legal immigrants would be willing to be jumped to the head of the line by paying a $5000 bounty?

My understanding is that they'd go to the end of the line, not the front.

RA,

The only way to stop this invasion is to convince employers they will go to jail and/or be bankrupted if they hire illegals. Bush is unwilling to do this.

So you are anti-business and that means anti-American! See how easy it is to engage in this nonsense rhetoric. Wow, I like it.

As long as employers can flaunt the law the invasion will continue. Fancy ID cards will not stop it because the government will not punish the lawbreaking employers.

Well, the way it will have to work is that the laws will have to be applied vigorously against those who remain illegal or come in illegally.

The speech was window dressing to fool the simple and placate those who want all Mexicans to be able to vote in our elections (read liberal socialist Democrats). The American public is stupid!

Well we sure can't let the American Public vote then can we. Hey, getting rid of elections gets rid of the "Mexico voting in America's elections" thingy too. Say, that is the ticket, just outlaw elections. Thanks for your support of totalitarianism RA!

Fortunately, we have a president who ignores the loony right as well as the loony left

The speech was window dressing to fool the simple and placate those who want all Mexicans to be able to vote in our elections (read liberal socialist Democrats). The American public is stupid!