Be that as it may, you're still misrepresenting what they're saying.

Saying that most murderers and drunk drivers are illegal aliens is a big difference from saying that most illegal aliens are murderers and drunk drivers.

Sure Farah is kind of “out there” but rather than bad mouth him why not discredit him with facts.

Actually, I'd turn that statement around...

Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research. Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.

Why don't Farah and King produce some facts, rather than pulling numbers out of their butts, and _then_ we can discuss the issue rationally, rather than having anti-immigrant partisans throwing out random accusations to stir up outrage. The only data I see referenced is iffy at best. AAA says a fair number of people involved in fatal accidents don't have valid licenses. Pretty tangential to illegal immigrants. Dr Schurman-Kauflin of the high-sounding Violent Crimes Institute says there's 240k illegal immigrant sex offenders in the US. But if you look more closely, you'll find the Dr Schurman-Kauflin _is_ the VCI. From an admittedly shallow search, I can't find her data published anywhere except WND. That doesn't provide a lot of confidence in either accuracy or impartiality. The remainder is a logically-shaky attempt to relate the number of illegals in prison to the number of crimes commitetd, with a huge amount of guesswork & assumptions.

I say get the facts and let them fall where they may.

I agree. But let these jokers find the facts, rather than stir up a bunch random bigotry; there's just not enough meat here to justify guys like King and Tancredo spending tax money or passing laws on this, which is the clear intent of the article.

Off hand I would say his case is stronger than Al Gore’s case for man made global warming.

Well, if you tally up the number of actual experts, including Nobelists, on either side, I'd have to say Gore wins on points.

In this part of southern Oregon there is a high percentage of DUI arrests that are Hispanics, much higher than the general population. Is that a result of discrimination? Perhaps. Is it because the less affluent get pulled over more often because they drive older cars? Perhaps. Could cultural differences lead to more drunk driving? Perhaps. I say get the facts and let them fall where they may.

Off hand I would say his case is stronger than Al Gore's case for man made global warming.