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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/impeaching_cheney/comment-page-1/#comment-230497</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure Cheney is guilty of real crimes, but it&#039;s impossible to do any real discovery, because we can&#039;t get to the facts, due to the extreme secrecy and amorta code around the Bush administration. 

First, I can&#039;t prove, but suspect that he was deeply involved in the phony electrical blackouts and price gouging of the summer of &#039;01. We know that he held secret energy meetings early in the course of the Bush administration, then he went on the stump warning about coming widespread blackouts. The Bush administration refused to get involved in policing this scam when clearly there was criminal activity involved.

Second, I believe he&#039;s the main force in the Valerie Plame leak. Outing a CIA operative is a serious crime. People will say Armitage, (who has apologized for his part) was the first one to leak her name and therefore was the only guilty party. That&#039;s like saying the first in on a gang-rape is the only one responsible.

Third, he&#039;s probably just as guilty of obstruction as Scooter is, but only Congress has the remedy when some one as powerful as Cheney is involved.

I&#039;m pretty sure shooting a guy in the face is a crime, but again, we&#039;ll never know what really happened that day. This is Chinatown. Just move along.

Of course he&#039;s a large party to the shared guilt of multiple violations of international law and war crimes, but we will have to leave that to a hypothetical functioning Congress to sort out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm pretty sure Cheney is guilty of real crimes, but it's impossible to do any real discovery, because we can't get to the facts, due to the extreme secrecy and amorta code around the Bush administration. </p>
<p>First, I can't prove, but suspect that he was deeply involved in the phony electrical blackouts and price gouging of the summer of '01. We know that he held secret energy meetings early in the course of the Bush administration, then he went on the stump warning about coming widespread blackouts. The Bush administration refused to get involved in policing this scam when clearly there was criminal activity involved.</p>
<p>Second, I believe he's the main force in the Valerie Plame leak. Outing a CIA operative is a serious crime. People will say Armitage, (who has apologized for his part) was the first one to leak her name and therefore was the only guilty party. That's like saying the first in on a gang-rape is the only one responsible.</p>
<p>Third, he's probably just as guilty of obstruction as Scooter is, but only Congress has the remedy when some one as powerful as Cheney is involved.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure shooting a guy in the face is a crime, but again, we'll never know what really happened that day. This is Chinatown. Just move along.</p>
<p>Of course he's a large party to the shared guilt of multiple violations of international law and war crimes, but we will have to leave that to a hypothetical functioning Congress to sort out.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you sure a replacement VP requires confirmation of the Senate?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxxv.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;25th Amendment&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are you sure a replacement VP requires confirmation of the Senate?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxxv.html" rel="nofollow">25th Amendment</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure a replacement VP requires confirmation of the Senate?</description>
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		<title>By: Truth in Cosmetic Surgery Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Public Domain Clip Art</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CommonSenseAmerica - Illegal Immigration, America, Freedom, News and Opinion &#187; State of Georgia turns to God</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Big Dogs Weblog</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why is the Media Good to Hillary?...&lt;/strong&gt;

When a politician is named Clinton he can usually be assured of good press, or no press at all if there is something bad going on.  The same press that can&#039;t wait to run to press with our nation&#039;s secrets is much more respecting of the wishes of the ...</description>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vnjagvet,
&lt;blockquote&gt;If Cheney is impeached, who becomes VP?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Bush chooses someone who then has to go through confirmation (so it won&#039;t likely be Rove :-) That&#039;s how Ford became Veep after Spiro Agnew was impeached for his earlier corruption as Gov of MD.

As for the rest of your comment - no bet. Both because I don&#039;t think they have the guts either and because of the majority issue Paul mentioned. I mean, the guy shot shot someone in the face, and there wasn&#039;t even an &lt;em&gt;investigation &lt;/em&gt;for cryin&#039; out loud. The guy he shot a&lt;em&gt;pologized for getting shot.&lt;/em&gt; He&#039;d have to eat a puppy on live tv to even get the motion out of committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vnjagvet,</p>
<blockquote><p>If Cheney is impeached, who becomes VP?</p></blockquote>
<p>Bush chooses someone who then has to go through confirmation (so it won't likely be Rove :-) That's how Ford became Veep after Spiro Agnew was impeached for his earlier corruption as Gov of MD.</p>
<p>As for the rest of your comment - no bet. Both because I don't think they have the guts either and because of the majority issue Paul mentioned. I mean, the guy shot shot someone in the face, and there wasn't even an <em>investigation </em>for cryin' out loud. The guy he shot a<em>pologized for getting shot.</em> He'd have to eat a puppy on live tv to even get the motion out of committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pelosi and her leadership just doesn&#039;t have either the guts or the skill to pull it off.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It has nothing to do with guts or skill, she doesn&#039;t have the 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict because there is not any clear evidence or public demand for it.  Frankly, a sitting P or VP should probably only be impeached if their crimes are so obvious and heinous that it wouldn&#039;t take any guts or skill to remove them, a bipartisan coalition would just have the vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pelosi and her leadership just doesn't have either the guts or the skill to pull it off.</p></blockquote>
<p>It has nothing to do with guts or skill, she doesn't have the 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict because there is not any clear evidence or public demand for it.  Frankly, a sitting P or VP should probably only be impeached if their crimes are so obvious and heinous that it wouldn't take any guts or skill to remove them, a bipartisan coalition would just have the vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Paul,

It wasn&#039;t the sex it was lying under oath about the sex. Why can&#039;t people see that?

Can&#039;t anyone come up with a real crime? All this made up stuff is getting very old.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m fully aware that the count was for perjury not the sex.  But I stand by my comment that the whole affair (hmm, maybe that isn&#039;t a good word here) was not a &quot;serious&quot; matter for Congress.  In the first place it does more harm than good to allow a meaningless civil suit to proceed against a President because it just begs for trolling abuse, which is exactly what the Paula Jones suit was about to its financiers.  Surely Cheney and Guiliani must agree that the Commander in Chief should not be saddled with such junk until they are out of office, even if that does run the risk that someone&#039;s civil suit loses some of their witnesses or evidence.   And in any event, the alleged perjury was entirely immaterial to the state of the nation.  Al Qaeda was brewing 9/11 and here we had Clinton hamstrung for fears that going after them would look like whatever that contemporary movie was called about a president starting a war to distract from a personal scandal.  The coming Medicare crisis was staring us down and the Congress could only give us its faux indignance over clinton&#039;s personal life.   

I dish this out both ways.  When Bush or Hillary or Cheney or Reid wake up in the morning, which do they think of first -- how to solve America&#039;s problems or how to blame America&#039;s problems on the other party?  I guess the reason they do it is because voters eat it up.  The very un-serious impeachment of Clinton is one of the very many dark chapters in that sad tale.

As for naming &quot;real crimes&quot; by Cheney, I&#039;ll leave that debate to others, either way I&#039;d rather see Congress focus on real problems that will still matter long after 2008.  Plus, most of the things being alleged about Bush and Cheney were pretty well known when the country reelected them in 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Paul,</p>
<p>It wasn't the sex it was lying under oath about the sex. Why can't people see that?</p>
<p>Can't anyone come up with a real crime? All this made up stuff is getting very old.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm fully aware that the count was for perjury not the sex.  But I stand by my comment that the whole affair (hmm, maybe that isn't a good word here) was not a "serious" matter for Congress.  In the first place it does more harm than good to allow a meaningless civil suit to proceed against a President because it just begs for trolling abuse, which is exactly what the Paula Jones suit was about to its financiers.  Surely Cheney and Guiliani must agree that the Commander in Chief should not be saddled with such junk until they are out of office, even if that does run the risk that someone's civil suit loses some of their witnesses or evidence.   And in any event, the alleged perjury was entirely immaterial to the state of the nation.  Al Qaeda was brewing 9/11 and here we had Clinton hamstrung for fears that going after them would look like whatever that contemporary movie was called about a president starting a war to distract from a personal scandal.  The coming Medicare crisis was staring us down and the Congress could only give us its faux indignance over clinton's personal life.   </p>
<p>I dish this out both ways.  When Bush or Hillary or Cheney or Reid wake up in the morning, which do they think of first -- how to solve America's problems or how to blame America's problems on the other party?  I guess the reason they do it is because voters eat it up.  The very un-serious impeachment of Clinton is one of the very many dark chapters in that sad tale.</p>
<p>As for naming "real crimes" by Cheney, I'll leave that debate to others, either way I'd rather see Congress focus on real problems that will still matter long after 2008.  Plus, most of the things being alleged about Bush and Cheney were pretty well known when the country reelected them in 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Hillary round up, with cartoons...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hillary has had a tough week.&#160; Falling poll numbers, falling flags and more importantly a loss of her sense of invulnerability.&#160; For weeks her attitude and that of many has been that she is the inevitable candidate.&#160; Now suddenly she is ...</description>
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		<title>By: Rosemary's Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thank you for my freedom...&lt;/strong&gt;

Dear Morgan, thank you. It is not my best poem, but it is for you and all the others. Keep the faith, my dear friend. We do apreciate you so very deeply. Our prayers are with you, and &#039;O&#039; and Maniac. Also your teams. Take care on this and every day. ...</description>
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<p>Dear Morgan, thank you. It is not my best poem, but it is for you and all the others. Keep the faith, my dear friend. We do apreciate you so very deeply. Our prayers are with you, and 'O' and Maniac. Also your teams. Take care on this and every day. ...</p>
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		<title>By: The Pink Flamingo</title>
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		<title>By: vnjagvet</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Cheney is impeached, who becomes VP?




























I have $500.00 that says Cheney will neither be impeached nor convicted.

Pelosi and her leadership just doesn&#039;t have either the guts or the skill to pull it off.

It just isn&#039;t going to happen.

Any takers among the cheerleaders here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Cheney is impeached, who becomes VP?</p>
<p>I have $500.00 that says Cheney will neither be impeached nor convicted.</p>
<p>Pelosi and her leadership just doesn't have either the guts or the skill to pull it off.</p>
<p>It just isn't going to happen.</p>
<p>Any takers among the cheerleaders here?</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leigon

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<p>Careful dude, Steve is a... serious guy</p>
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