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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/information_isnt_knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-29946</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Remember about 3 years ago in which the dean of the Womenâs Studies at um, I canât remember the college, said âWe refuse to allow any teaching which says we do not have free speec.â &lt;/i&gt;

No. Was this halucination before or after they released you from the asylum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Remember about 3 years ago in which the dean of the Womenâs Studies at um, I canât remember the college, said âWe refuse to allow any teaching which says we do not have free speec.â </i></p>
<p>No. Was this halucination before or after they released you from the asylum?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary and the Samoyeds</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/information_isnt_knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-29945</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary and the Samoyeds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course, that assumes that Godwin and his ilk actually are interested in truth and expanding knowledge.  Remember, it&#039;s the universities that are the most oppressive and stifling environments right now, with their Stalinist speech codes, books and speakers banned because they show up leftist dogma, and classes not offered.  Remember about 3 years ago in which the dean of the Women&#039;s Studies at um, I can&#039;t remember the college, said &quot;We refuse to allow any teaching which says we do not have free speec.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course, that assumes that Godwin and his ilk actually are interested in truth and expanding knowledge.  Remember, it's the universities that are the most oppressive and stifling environments right now, with their Stalinist speech codes, books and speakers banned because they show up leftist dogma, and classes not offered.  Remember about 3 years ago in which the dean of the Women's Studies at um, I can't remember the college, said "We refuse to allow any teaching which says we do not have free speec."</p>
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		<title>By: The League of David</title>
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		<dc:creator>The League of David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Google &lt;/strong&gt;
There is a lot of fuss about this Google/Libraries project announced the other day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Google </strong><br />
There is a lot of fuss about this Google/Libraries project announced the other day.</p>
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		<title>By: David P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2004 01:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a librarian, and Gorman&#039;s tired essay sounds like the endless paranoid Chicken Little drivel from the librarianship establishment about the future of their jobs.  Me?  I like my job, but if it ever becomes obsolete, I won&#039;t whine.  I&#039;ll follow the market someplace else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm a librarian, and Gorman's tired essay sounds like the endless paranoid Chicken Little drivel from the librarianship establishment about the future of their jobs.  Me?  I like my job, but if it ever becomes obsolete, I won't whine.  I'll follow the market someplace else.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/information_isnt_knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-29926</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of ourse, untrained people randomly walking around the library have the same probem. It&#039;s hard to see how greater access to information is a bad thing.&lt;/i&gt; 


But James, isn&#039;t the difference that in a library the entire content has been pre-screened for academic, literary, scientific or some other worthy  value. Godwin is basically saying that even a casual stroll through the contents of a library is bound to be more informative than a similiar perusal of what is found on the internet. Let&#039;s face it, without the ability to discern credibility people who rely exclusively on the internet are going to be just as misinformed as those who rely exclusively on Fox News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of ourse, untrained people randomly walking around the library have the same probem. It's hard to see how greater access to information is a bad thing.</i> </p>
<p>But James, isn't the difference that in a library the entire content has been pre-screened for academic, literary, scientific or some other worthy  value. Godwin is basically saying that even a casual stroll through the contents of a library is bound to be more informative than a similiar perusal of what is found on the internet. Let's face it, without the ability to discern credibility people who rely exclusively on the internet are going to be just as misinformed as those who rely exclusively on Fox News.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal XXX</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal XXX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Falling Off the Edge of the World--Aural Six!&lt;/strong&gt;
OTB thinks Google&#039;s book scan plan is cool (he says more than just that, granted)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Falling Off the Edge of the World--Aural Six!</strong><br />
OTB thinks Google's book scan plan is cool (he says more than just that, granted)</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find online books almost unreadable.  I&#039;d much rather have the hard copy in my hands as I kick back in my easy chair with some snacks to nosh.  I believe many others feel the same way.  Only if someone developed a printer that could quickly print and bind an online book, would I anticipate electronic books supplanting the printed version.

Regarding the indexing observation, there is a big difference between Google and a library:  Putting a book in a library incurs significant costs to lots of people.  The author must write a book good enough to be picked up by a publisher who is credible enough that libraries search its new publications list.  The library must then purchase and catalog the book.

Online &quot;information&quot;, by contrast, can be generated in moments by any crackpot and put on the Web at essentially no cost.  And Google will eventually pick it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find online books almost unreadable.  I'd much rather have the hard copy in my hands as I kick back in my easy chair with some snacks to nosh.  I believe many others feel the same way.  Only if someone developed a printer that could quickly print and bind an online book, would I anticipate electronic books supplanting the printed version.</p>
<p>Regarding the indexing observation, there is a big difference between Google and a library:  Putting a book in a library incurs significant costs to lots of people.  The author must write a book good enough to be picked up by a publisher who is credible enough that libraries search its new publications list.  The library must then purchase and catalog the book.</p>
<p>Online "information", by contrast, can be generated in moments by any crackpot and put on the Web at essentially no cost.  And Google will eventually pick it up.</p>
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		<title>By: 42nd SSD</title>
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		<dc:creator>42nd SSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately for Mr. Gorman, electronic communications _is_ going to obliterate every other--eventually.  I doubt it&#039;ll be anytime soon, but it wouldn&#039;t surprise me to see the majority of books are being published electronically by, say, 2050.

Why?  It&#039;s cheaper, easier, faster, and more convenient for everyone.  It&#039;s far easier to look up a book online versus hiking down to the library, or waiting for it to be shipped from an online bookshop.  And it makes vast reams of information truly available to everyone for the first time.

The remaining barriers are the public&#039;s acceptance of reading online, and willingness of the publishers to scrap this &quot;DRM&quot; nonsense in favor of something which is of genuine benefit for the consumer.  The first will disappear as our current generation of kids grows up.  The second will take a lot longer.

It&#039;s silly for me to talk about DRM, however, since I cannot possibly anticipate what electronic publishing will be like in 2050.  There&#039;s a lot of research being done into &quot;smart paper&quot;, for example, and that may be the way things go.  That will entail some fundamental changes.

One of the results is that libraries will become an anachronism (but the librarian&#039;s job will be more important than ever!), and that&#039;s possibly where his objections are based.  Librarians can either accept what&#039;s going to happen and make the best of it, or fight against it and lose anyway.

IMO the search engines aren&#039;t doing that bad a job, and they&#039;re slowly getting better.  Much of the trick from getting good results from Google is learning how to take advantage of its strengths, and for kids who grow up with it this&#039;ll be a totally natural thing.  I am also firmly convinced Google and its kin and are will spur ever more research into natural language processing, and we&#039;ll see some pretty impressive results in the next 5-10 years.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love books and am a true bibliophile.  But I see huge advantages in publishing our storehouse of information online, and I&#039;m looking forward to the day when I can easily look up any old book I want and read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately for Mr. Gorman, electronic communications _is_ going to obliterate every other--eventually.  I doubt it'll be anytime soon, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the majority of books are being published electronically by, say, 2050.</p>
<p>Why?  It's cheaper, easier, faster, and more convenient for everyone.  It's far easier to look up a book online versus hiking down to the library, or waiting for it to be shipped from an online bookshop.  And it makes vast reams of information truly available to everyone for the first time.</p>
<p>The remaining barriers are the public's acceptance of reading online, and willingness of the publishers to scrap this "DRM" nonsense in favor of something which is of genuine benefit for the consumer.  The first will disappear as our current generation of kids grows up.  The second will take a lot longer.</p>
<p>It's silly for me to talk about DRM, however, since I cannot possibly anticipate what electronic publishing will be like in 2050.  There's a lot of research being done into "smart paper", for example, and that may be the way things go.  That will entail some fundamental changes.</p>
<p>One of the results is that libraries will become an anachronism (but the librarian's job will be more important than ever!), and that's possibly where his objections are based.  Librarians can either accept what's going to happen and make the best of it, or fight against it and lose anyway.</p>
<p>IMO the search engines aren't doing that bad a job, and they're slowly getting better.  Much of the trick from getting good results from Google is learning how to take advantage of its strengths, and for kids who grow up with it this'll be a totally natural thing.  I am also firmly convinced Google and its kin and are will spur ever more research into natural language processing, and we'll see some pretty impressive results in the next 5-10 years.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I love books and am a true bibliophile.  But I see huge advantages in publishing our storehouse of information online, and I'm looking forward to the day when I can easily look up any old book I want and read it.</p>
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		<title>By: denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also a lot of unintentional damage to paper books, from mold to rips; digitized versions would be much easier to use without risk of damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a lot of unintentional damage to paper books, from mold to rips; digitized versions would be much easier to use without risk of damage.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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