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		<title>By: Ragnell</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iran_war_drums_beating/comment-page-1/#comment-349102</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if the administration&#039;s purpose is not an attempt to bluff Iran(an unlikely success)---but rather, to give an advance warning to the American public that certain military actions may be forthcoming? It takes time for a population to process the idea of this future possibility. No advance notice would be a bad idea.

Holding a press conference during such an action  should receive a better reception if the nation was given advance notice and the time to consider the possibility that the government is giving serious consideration to taking these steps. 

Especially if such information made us aware that the administration is not blindly charging forth without ensuring there is no other workable option. Given our present environment, this concern will be front and center. 

These types of articles could be a way to  indirectly talk to the nation about all the options on the table.  

Knowing the opposition that would come from Pelosi and crew; gaining a national consensus would help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if the administration's purpose is not an attempt to bluff Iran(an unlikely success)---but rather, to give an advance warning to the American public that certain military actions may be forthcoming? It takes time for a population to process the idea of this future possibility. No advance notice would be a bad idea.</p>
<p>Holding a press conference during such an action  should receive a better reception if the nation was given advance notice and the time to consider the possibility that the government is giving serious consideration to taking these steps. </p>
<p>Especially if such information made us aware that the administration is not blindly charging forth without ensuring there is no other workable option. Given our present environment, this concern will be front and center. </p>
<p>These types of articles could be a way to  indirectly talk to the nation about all the options on the table.  </p>
<p>Knowing the opposition that would come from Pelosi and crew; gaining a national consensus would help.</p>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iran_war_drums_beating/comment-page-1/#comment-348867</link>
		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need leadership, true and decisive leadership, to navigate the Iranian situation. The smart Iranians have been playing us for years, and have more recently added the EU, specifically the UK, Germany and France, to their scalp belt. They have played on our collective reluctance to go to war with them, or even to make really hostile gestures towards their regime. Iranians are canny negotiators, and are quite well-up on our pacifist-driven political atmospheres in the West.

They guage our public to be tired of the Iraqi war, and highly reluctant to initiate yet another such effort. This gives them a huge advantage in talk-talk, since the worst won&#039;t happen, war-war, if they maintain their current positions. 

So, there is no progress in talks to be had, without significantly more military muscle being shown in their region. The list of gimmies from the West grows in their favor. More talk-talk means more gimmies, and more time to achieve nuclear capability. As the time passes, more pacifists try to convince us that the Iranians having nukes isn&#039;t so bad after all. This thought further emboldens the Iranians. 

The only leaders that have the gumption to face this situation and do what is needed are Bush and McCain. I shudder to think what the world may come to if either Obama or Clinton gain the White House. 

Buglar, sound the retreat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need leadership, true and decisive leadership, to navigate the Iranian situation. The smart Iranians have been playing us for years, and have more recently added the EU, specifically the UK, Germany and France, to their scalp belt. They have played on our collective reluctance to go to war with them, or even to make really hostile gestures towards their regime. Iranians are canny negotiators, and are quite well-up on our pacifist-driven political atmospheres in the West.</p>
<p>They guage our public to be tired of the Iraqi war, and highly reluctant to initiate yet another such effort. This gives them a huge advantage in talk-talk, since the worst won't happen, war-war, if they maintain their current positions. </p>
<p>So, there is no progress in talks to be had, without significantly more military muscle being shown in their region. The list of gimmies from the West grows in their favor. More talk-talk means more gimmies, and more time to achieve nuclear capability. As the time passes, more pacifists try to convince us that the Iranians having nukes isn't so bad after all. This thought further emboldens the Iranians. </p>
<p>The only leaders that have the gumption to face this situation and do what is needed are Bush and McCain. I shudder to think what the world may come to if either Obama or Clinton gain the White House. </p>
<p>Buglar, sound the retreat!</p>
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		<title>By: Right Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ESCAPE FROM A BROOKLYN MOSQUE...&lt;/strong&gt;

ESCAPE FROM A BROOKLYN MOSQUE By Bos Smith Bos Smith in front of Masjid At-Taqwa Don&#039;t snap a photo of the Masjid At-Taqwa in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn unless you want to be hauled away by a group of...</description>
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		<title>By: Fen</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iran_war_drums_beating/comment-page-1/#comment-348323</link>
		<dc:creator>Fen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of dear Neville, Manchester said something close to: &quot;one imagines Chamberlain sitting across the diplomatic table from Satan, crossing off his checklists... when a realization darkens his countenance - he&#039;s just traded away his soul for the promise of future negotiations.&quot;

Carter just tried the back door with Iran&#039;s proxy. How did that work out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of dear Neville, Manchester said something close to: "one imagines Chamberlain sitting across the diplomatic table from Satan, crossing off his checklists... when a realization darkens his countenance - he's just traded away his soul for the promise of future negotiations."</p>
<p>Carter just tried the back door with Iran's proxy. How did that work out?</p>
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		<title>By: paul a'barge</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul a'barge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;There has to be a quiet, back door means of carrying on negotiations, even multi-laterally, to create a settlement acceptable to all.&lt;/em&gt;

Dude.

That&#039;s what Neville Chamberlain said. Don&#039;t you mutts ever learn?

Grow a pair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There has to be a quiet, back door means of carrying on negotiations, even multi-laterally, to create a settlement acceptable to all.</em></p>
<p>Dude.</p>
<p>That's what Neville Chamberlain said. Don't you mutts ever learn?</p>
<p>Grow a pair.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhymes With Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhymes With Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Poor-Mouthing Obama...&lt;/strong&gt;

For all that Barack Obama and his wife try to paint themselves as &quot;just ordinary people&quot;, I think this little detail tells us a lot about him. After an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in 2000, Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama......</description>
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		<title>By: Rhymes With Right</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iran_war_drums_beating/comment-page-1/#comment-347976</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhymes With Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Oppressive Speech Regulation...&lt;/strong&gt;

There is nothing so fundamentally American as citizens exercising their rights under the Constitution to speak, write, assemble and petition their government for the redress of grievances -- or to do the same for purposes of supporting or opposing ball...</description>
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		<title>By: mannning</title>
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		<dc:creator>mannning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important coastal areas are Khuzestan (oil); Hormozuan (commands the Hormuz Strait, and the city of Bandar Abbas, a port); and perhaps the city of Shiraz (industry).

The rest of the country is largely unpalatable. So this invasion would be mainly economic and symbolic. It would be easily withdrawn as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important coastal areas are Khuzestan (oil); Hormozuan (commands the Hormuz Strait, and the city of Bandar Abbas, a port); and perhaps the city of Shiraz (industry).</p>
<p>The rest of the country is largely unpalatable. So this invasion would be mainly economic and symbolic. It would be easily withdrawn as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Cold, Dark Place for a Football Game...&lt;/strong&gt;

Yesterday Bruce and Nate traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin to see the women of the Chicago Force take on the Wisconsin Warriors. Unlike their trip to Madison, Wisconsin two weeks ago, there was no April blizzard to greet them; however, it......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A Cold, Dark Place for a Football Game...</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Notebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie's Notebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Energy IQ: Man on the Street - Video...&lt;/strong&gt;

Video: On Washingtons National Mall  what do Americans know about our energy, how many of the top 10 oil companies are American, where do we get our oil, what are our energy reserves?...</description>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We learned to play the nuclear game during the Cold War and developed our theory of strategic deterrence around the idea of mutually assured destruction. We threatened to wipe the other guys off the face of the map if they launched a nuclear strike against us and left the option on the table to strike them first. This brinksmanship came dangerously close to being tested, most notably with the Cuban Missile Crisis, but it otherwise worked.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only one problem with that idea. The Soviets, for all their stupidity, did not suffer from a suicide-bomber mentality, that they were all going to be rewarded in heaven for killing infidels. Consider that Iran is working toward Nuclear weapons capability, despite having no rockets that can get such a weapon far enough downwind to prevent radiation problems for it&#039;s own territory. Surely, a suicidal attitude, and one vastly different from anything we faced during the cold war.

The kind of war we have fought so far in Iraq and Afghanistan should, if nothing else, be solid enough indication that strategies we&#039;ve used in the past will simply not work, or worse, will work to our the advantage of our enemy.

It seems clear that Iran is the central supporter of terrorist activities and unrest in the region. It doesn&#039;t take a great deal of thought to determine our next course of action. 20 years gone, now, such evidence as I&#039;ve posted here alone would have resulted, rightly, in a military response against Tehran which would make &#039;shock and awe&#039; look like a tea party. We delay such response now, at our own peril, I think. The    centrifuges, after all, continue to spin in the underground facility in Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We learned to play the nuclear game during the Cold War and developed our theory of strategic deterrence around the idea of mutually assured destruction. We threatened to wipe the other guys off the face of the map if they launched a nuclear strike against us and left the option on the table to strike them first. This brinksmanship came dangerously close to being tested, most notably with the Cuban Missile Crisis, but it otherwise worked.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only one problem with that idea. The Soviets, for all their stupidity, did not suffer from a suicide-bomber mentality, that they were all going to be rewarded in heaven for killing infidels. Consider that Iran is working toward Nuclear weapons capability, despite having no rockets that can get such a weapon far enough downwind to prevent radiation problems for it's own territory. Surely, a suicidal attitude, and one vastly different from anything we faced during the cold war.</p>
<p>The kind of war we have fought so far in Iraq and Afghanistan should, if nothing else, be solid enough indication that strategies we've used in the past will simply not work, or worse, will work to our the advantage of our enemy.</p>
<p>It seems clear that Iran is the central supporter of terrorist activities and unrest in the region. It doesn't take a great deal of thought to determine our next course of action. 20 years gone, now, such evidence as I've posted here alone would have resulted, rightly, in a military response against Tehran which would make 'shock and awe' look like a tea party. We delay such response now, at our own peril, I think. The    centrifuges, after all, continue to spin in the underground facility in Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you this; my Marine unit was wargaming the seizure of Bandar Abbas in 1981. 

Read into that what you will.

Marcus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you this; my Marine unit was wargaming the seizure of Bandar Abbas in 1981. </p>
<p>Read into that what you will.</p>
<p>Marcus</p>
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		<title>By: Adam's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Presidential Mash Up...&lt;/strong&gt;

Podcast Show Notes
The Constitution Party&#8217;s amazingly stupid nominating decision.
John McCain ticking off the base is costing him money.
In Alabama, McCain gets a sweetheart deal on rent. (Hat Tip: Pam&#8217;s House Blend.)
John McCain riding o...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Presidential Mash Up...</strong></p>
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The Constitution Party&#8217;s amazingly stupid nominating decision.<br />
John McCain ticking off the base is costing him money.<br />
In Alabama, McCain gets a sweetheart deal on rent. (Hat Tip: Pam&#8217;s House Blend.)<br />
John McCain riding o...</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And other than by conscripting them and sending them into battle, the mullahs have never been as psychotically willing to kill entire segments of their own population as Saddam was.&quot;

I seem to recall reading that, during the Iraq/Iran war, the Mullahs sent battalions of unarmed teens, as mine detectors and bullet absorbers, ahead of its troops. Then again, this may just have been Iraqi propaganda.

Just taking the coastal areas might be problematical.  The Iranian coastline stretches for 2440 Kilometers.

WRT to the US military high command.  I agree that the generals you refer to do seem to spend more of their time fighting for the status quo rather than how best to utilize available resources. In the final analysis they do what they are told or retire.

With Westmorland we seem to forget he won the 1968 Tet Offensive.  He was also doing quite a bit of the tactics later attributed to his replacements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"And other than by conscripting them and sending them into battle, the mullahs have never been as psychotically willing to kill entire segments of their own population as Saddam was."</p>
<p>I seem to recall reading that, during the Iraq/Iran war, the Mullahs sent battalions of unarmed teens, as mine detectors and bullet absorbers, ahead of its troops. Then again, this may just have been Iraqi propaganda.</p>
<p>Just taking the coastal areas might be problematical.  The Iranian coastline stretches for 2440 Kilometers.</p>
<p>WRT to the US military high command.  I agree that the generals you refer to do seem to spend more of their time fighting for the status quo rather than how best to utilize available resources. In the final analysis they do what they are told or retire.</p>
<p>With Westmorland we seem to forget he won the 1968 Tet Offensive.  He was also doing quite a bit of the tactics later attributed to his replacements.</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Puzzled About Iran</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Puzzled About Iran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think the Bush Administration recognizes this even if their staunchest supporters, as evidenced in this comment thread at OTB, or their most ardent opponents, as noted in the NYT article, [...]</description>
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