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	<title>Comments on: Iranian Interior Ministry Leaks On Election Outcome?</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1065143</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An interesting subtext of all this is how desperately the right wants there to be no support for democracy and reform in Iran, in spite of the obvious fact that there is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, it&#039;s obvious there is in Iran... at least among the people. 

In Washington, not so much, nor on the part of the Iranian Government, particularly the Mullahs. Does this added complexity confuse you?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Because in the Bitverse, no happenstance, no matter how tenuous the connection, will go begging for use in illustrating the Great Leftist Plot Against Right-Thinking People.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK, you&#039;re telling me this isn&#039;t.
I&#039;m sure you can prove this. Right? No relationship in the pattern at all, eh?

I&#039;ll wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An interesting subtext of all this is how desperately the right wants there to be no support for democracy and reform in Iran, in spite of the obvious fact that there is.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, it's obvious there is in Iran... at least among the people. </p>
<p>In Washington, not so much, nor on the part of the Iranian Government, particularly the Mullahs. Does this added complexity confuse you?</p>
<blockquote><p>Because in the Bitverse, no happenstance, no matter how tenuous the connection, will go begging for use in illustrating the Great Leftist Plot Against Right-Thinking People.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, you're telling me this isn't.<br />
I'm sure you can prove this. Right? No relationship in the pattern at all, eh?</p>
<p>I'll wait.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064659</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting subtext of all this is how desperately the right wants there to be no support for democracy and reform in Iran, in spite of the obvious fact that there is.

They are so heavily invested in their talking points about Iran being hell bent on a suicide attack against the west they actually seem to be rooting against a change for the better in Iran. It seems their love of freedom is a little less than their love of their own bizarre ideology...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting subtext of all this is how desperately the right wants there to be no support for democracy and reform in Iran, in spite of the obvious fact that there is.</p>
<p>They are so heavily invested in their talking points about Iran being hell bent on a suicide attack against the west they actually seem to be rooting against a change for the better in Iran. It seems their love of freedom is a little less than their love of their own bizarre ideology...</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Did Iran concoct election results before the election?</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064579</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Did Iran concoct election results before the election?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Joyner wonders whether an actual Mousavi blowout didn&#8217;t prompt the immediate crackdown on protests: Only time will tell if these claims are genuine, but a blowout this size would certainly explain why the Iranian government wasted no time in violently cracking down on peaceful protests. And it’s worth mentioning that the poll that my colleague Dave Schuler linked to earlier today showed Ahmadinejad with only 34% support with a 3.5% margin of error three weeks ago, so 28% for Ahmadinejad is not outside the realm of possibility. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Joyner wonders whether an actual Mousavi blowout didn&#8217;t prompt the immediate crackdown on protests: Only time will tell if these claims are genuine, but a blowout this size would certainly explain why the Iranian government wasted no time in violently cracking down on peaceful protests. And it&rsquo;s worth mentioning that the poll that my colleague Dave Schuler linked to earlier today showed Ahmadinejad with only 34% support with a 3.5% margin of error three weeks ago, so 28% for Ahmadinejad is not outside the realm of possibility. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064570</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why does ACORN using computer based estimates leap to mind?

Why does the concept of Computer Models being the basis of &#039;Global Warming&quot; complaints rear it&#039;s head?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because in the Bitverse, no happenstance, no matter how tenuous the connection,  will go begging for use in illustrating the Great Leftist Plot Against Right-Thinking People.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why does ACORN using computer based estimates leap to mind?</p>
<p>Why does the concept of Computer Models being the basis of 'Global Warming" complaints rear it's head?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because in the Bitverse, no happenstance, no matter how tenuous the connection,  will go begging for use in illustrating the Great Leftist Plot Against Right-Thinking People.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064537</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ACORN has no power. Heck, they&#039;re not even a nationally unified organization--it&#039;s just affiliates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Alex, they got a lot of money......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ACORN has no power. Heck, they're not even a nationally unified organization--it's just affiliates.</p></blockquote>
<p>Alex, they got a lot of money......</p>
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		<title>By: yetanotherjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanotherjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hold no brief for the current Iranian government. I&#039;m also not sure that a different government would be much better. I remember when the press was engaged in wishful thinking that the current president was a change towards moderation.

All that said, anonymous sources making highly inflammatory claims without supporting proof should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I can see perfectly innocent explanations being distorted to get to this idea. Imagine running computer simulations to predict voter turnout so you can estimate what polling resources are needed. I can also imagine press releases being prepared prior to knowing the results covering possible outcomes. To put it another way, do you think that Obama and/or his staff didn&#039;t work on his victory speech before election night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hold no brief for the current Iranian government. I'm also not sure that a different government would be much better. I remember when the press was engaged in wishful thinking that the current president was a change towards moderation.</p>
<p>All that said, anonymous sources making highly inflammatory claims without supporting proof should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I can see perfectly innocent explanations being distorted to get to this idea. Imagine running computer simulations to predict voter turnout so you can estimate what polling resources are needed. I can also imagine press releases being prepared prior to knowing the results covering possible outcomes. To put it another way, do you think that Obama and/or his staff didn't work on his victory speech before election night?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064531</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you think that all there is to climate change is computer modelling, I&#039;d suggest that you research the matter more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course not. OTOH, the modelig is ripe for intentional distortion...

&lt;blockquote&gt;ACORN has no power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d call the cencus, power, particularly to alter the outcome of elections, by distortion of census counts. And therein the comparison lies a little too close for comfort.

That said, the points I made is in fact an aside.  Consdier this an anchor dropped. We&#039;ll get back to it later, as these things return to the fore. I suspect I&#039;ll not be the only one leaning on these comparisons in the next couple years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you think that all there is to climate change is computer modelling, I'd suggest that you research the matter more.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course not. OTOH, the modelig is ripe for intentional distortion...</p>
<blockquote><p>ACORN has no power.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'd call the cencus, power, particularly to alter the outcome of elections, by distortion of census counts. And therein the comparison lies a little too close for comfort.</p>
<p>That said, the points I made is in fact an aside.  Consdier this an anchor dropped. We'll get back to it later, as these things return to the fore. I suspect I'll not be the only one leaning on these comparisons in the next couple years.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064529</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And (C) for God&#039;s sake, we agree with something vis a vis Iran.  Let&#039;s not spoil it by taking this thread off into irrelevant land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And (C) for God's sake, we agree with something vis a vis Iran.  Let's not spoil it by taking this thread off into irrelevant land.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064524</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(A) ACORN has no power.  Heck, they&#039;re not even a nationally unified organization--it&#039;s just affiliates.

(B) If you think that all there is to climate change is computer modelling, I&#039;d suggest that you research the matter more.  The basis of climate change is CHEMISTRY.  Simple, basic thermodynamics and gas chemistry.  (That said, the computer modeling done ten years ago showing average temperature increases shows no significant statistical deviation from actual average temperature increases over the last ten years, so it&#039;s not like they&#039;re BAD models.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(A) ACORN has no power.  Heck, they're not even a nationally unified organization--it's just affiliates.</p>
<p>(B) If you think that all there is to climate change is computer modelling, I'd suggest that you research the matter more.  The basis of climate change is CHEMISTRY.  Simple, basic thermodynamics and gas chemistry.  (That said, the computer modeling done ten years ago showing average temperature increases shows no significant statistical deviation from actual average temperature increases over the last ten years, so it's not like they're BAD models.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Florack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iranian_interior_ministry_leaks_on_election_outcome/comment-page-1/#comment-1064520</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Guardian is reporting that, according to unnamed sources in Iran’s Interior Ministry, Friday’s election results were the result of a computer program asked to elicit a “plausible result” and were prepared prior to the election.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why does ACORN using computer based estimates leap to mind?

Why does the concept of Computer Models being the basis of &#039;Global Warming&quot; complaints  rear it&#039;s head?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Guardian is reporting that, according to unnamed sources in Iran&rsquo;s Interior Ministry, Friday&rsquo;s election results were the result of a computer program asked to elicit a “plausible result” and were prepared prior to the election.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why does ACORN using computer based estimates leap to mind?</p>
<p>Why does the concept of Computer Models being the basis of 'Global Warming" complaints  rear it's head?</p>
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