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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_civilian_deaths_reaching_10000/comment-page-1/#comment-33167</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s talk about &quot;the number of civilian deaths we have caused&quot;.  I don&#039;t include in that number: bombings by terrorists, beheadings, or drive-by shootings.  I don&#039;t include those who have died somehow as a result of the lack of infrastructure.  That which we work tirelessly to repair, only to have it blown up again, by &quot;iraqi freedom fighters&quot;.

I do include in my collateral damage assessment, american bullets and bombs gone astray.  On that front, this war is unprecedented in the lack of collateral damage.  Nowhere in history has so much care been given to avoid civilian casualities (even at the expense of our own troops&#039; safety).  Nowhere in history has so much been spent on &quot;smart&quot; munitions, paid for by U.S. taxpayers, to minimize the damage caused to those who are not combatants.

So I automatically ignore the stupid comments from those who want to bean count casualties that include everything from those who have died of old age to stray dogs with TNT jammed up their ass by insurgents.  I try to believe deep down that they do not mean ill will to our troops, but it&#039;s a fine line between that and spitting in faces and calling them baby-killers.

Or perhaps there are those in our country who prefer the preservation of lives, at any cost, including that of freedom.  Tell me you would prefer to live in tyranny...  Life was so much better with Saddam,  Sure 1,000 people a year were thrown off of buildings, or electrocuted, or raped in front of their husbands, or machine-gunned and thrown into pits.  But 1,000 is a much smaller number than 10,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's talk about "the number of civilian deaths we have caused".  I don't include in that number: bombings by terrorists, beheadings, or drive-by shootings.  I don't include those who have died somehow as a result of the lack of infrastructure.  That which we work tirelessly to repair, only to have it blown up again, by "iraqi freedom fighters".</p>
<p>I do include in my collateral damage assessment, american bullets and bombs gone astray.  On that front, this war is unprecedented in the lack of collateral damage.  Nowhere in history has so much care been given to avoid civilian casualities (even at the expense of our own troops' safety).  Nowhere in history has so much been spent on "smart" munitions, paid for by U.S. taxpayers, to minimize the damage caused to those who are not combatants.</p>
<p>So I automatically ignore the stupid comments from those who want to bean count casualties that include everything from those who have died of old age to stray dogs with TNT jammed up their ass by insurgents.  I try to believe deep down that they do not mean ill will to our troops, but it's a fine line between that and spitting in faces and calling them baby-killers.</p>
<p>Or perhaps there are those in our country who prefer the preservation of lives, at any cost, including that of freedom.  Tell me you would prefer to live in tyranny...  Life was so much better with Saddam,  Sure 1,000 people a year were thrown off of buildings, or electrocuted, or raped in front of their husbands, or machine-gunned and thrown into pits.  But 1,000 is a much smaller number than 10,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Novakofski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Novakofski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the Iraqis better off today?  I&#039;m just wondering when the number of civilian casualties we have caused in Iraq will be more, if not already more, than the number of deaths Sadam casued during his time in power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the Iraqis better off today?  I'm just wondering when the number of civilian casualties we have caused in Iraq will be more, if not already more, than the number of deaths Sadam casued during his time in power?</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_civilian_deaths_reaching_10000/comment-page-1/#comment-33090</link>
		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it&#039;s all our fault. Our very existence pollutes the world and drives good people to do horrible things. Every death, every atrocity, every skinned knee, every kitten trapped in a tree -- all come with a moral &quot;Caused by the USA&quot; tag.

&lt;/people who are not now nor ever to be taken seriously&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it's all our fault. Our very existence pollutes the world and drives good people to do horrible things. Every death, every atrocity, every skinned knee, every kitten trapped in a tree -- all come with a moral "Caused by the USA" tag.</p>
<p>&lt;/people who are not now nor ever to be taken seriously&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: RCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You compared the US Civil War to Iraq... It&#039;s hard to know where to start tearing that comparison apart.  

I found your blog today, and will not return.  Is this representative of so-called &quot;conservative&quot; bloggers?  

I guess logic really does mean nothing to the minions of the neocons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You compared the US Civil War to Iraq... It's hard to know where to start tearing that comparison apart.  </p>
<p>I found your blog today, and will not return.  Is this representative of so-called "conservative" bloggers?  </p>
<p>I guess logic really does mean nothing to the minions of the neocons.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Tanner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_civilian_deaths_reaching_10000/comment-page-1/#comment-33052</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&quot;Very few of those deaths would have occurred had the US and UK not decided to invade,&quot; said Mr Sloboda, &quot;In a very real sense we are responsible for them.&quot;&#039;

We were also responsible for the people in the mass graves because we supported saddam against Iran and then didn&#039;t act to take him out in GWI. We were responsible, at least according to Mad Maddie Albright, for the death of 500,000 children who were never born because of the sanctions and UN Oil-for-Terorism Funds that Saddam violated and then looted the proceeds from.

This is the mindset of the terror and tyranny sympathizers. The 10,000 Iraqi civs who died, mostly killed either directly by the foreign  terrorists and Baathists, or because they don&#039;t adhere to rules of war in protecting civilians, are always the responsibility of the US and the 25 million who were freed from Saddams police state don&#039;t matter. It&#039;s like in F/911...they were all flying kites before and now it&#039;s horror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'"Very few of those deaths would have occurred had the US and UK not decided to invade," said Mr Sloboda, "In a very real sense we are responsible for them."'</p>
<p>We were also responsible for the people in the mass graves because we supported saddam against Iran and then didn't act to take him out in GWI. We were responsible, at least according to Mad Maddie Albright, for the death of 500,000 children who were never born because of the sanctions and UN Oil-for-Terorism Funds that Saddam violated and then looted the proceeds from.</p>
<p>This is the mindset of the terror and tyranny sympathizers. The 10,000 Iraqi civs who died, mostly killed either directly by the foreign  terrorists and Baathists, or because they don't adhere to rules of war in protecting civilians, are always the responsibility of the US and the 25 million who were freed from Saddams police state don't matter. It's like in F/911...they were all flying kites before and now it's horror.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_civilian_deaths_reaching_10000/comment-page-1/#comment-33048</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; Wait, what about that estimate of 100,000 casulties . . . does this make that suspect?&lt;/em&gt;

Are you suggesting that the 100,000 figure (I assume you mean from the &lt;em&gt;Lancet&lt;/em&gt; study) wasn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; suspect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> Wait, what about that estimate of 100,000 casulties . . . does this make that suspect?</em></p>
<p>Are you suggesting that the 100,000 figure (I assume you mean from the <em>Lancet</em> study) wasn't <em>already</em> suspect?</p>
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		<title>By: B. Minich, PI</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_civilian_deaths_reaching_10000/comment-page-1/#comment-33035</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Minich, PI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, what about that estimate of 100,000 casulties . . . does this make that suspect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, what about that estimate of 100,000 casulties . . . does this make that suspect?</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_civilian_deaths_reaching_10000/comment-page-1/#comment-33027</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... given the mass graves it&#039;d have been 10,000 OTHER people had we not gone in.. and a large number of Americans, would die, in addition to those Iraqi deaths.

The problem here is they&#039;re using hindsight to come up with easy answers... and the problem is easy answers don&#039;t exist in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah... given the mass graves it'd have been 10,000 OTHER people had we not gone in.. and a large number of Americans, would die, in addition to those Iraqi deaths.</p>
<p>The problem here is they're using hindsight to come up with easy answers... and the problem is easy answers don't exist in this situation.</p>
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