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	<title>Comments on: Iraq the Model</title>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_the_model/comment-page-1/#comment-1071733</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully this doesn&#039;t get lost in the &quot;old news&quot; of stale blog posts, but anyway...

Sorry, Dave, I didn&#039;t mean to imply that I thought it was your quote. Since you had the excerpt in a blockquote, I thought it was pretty obvious that it was a Monitor error.

Yeah, John, I have vague recollections of those extra dots and such, used primarily, it seemed to me, to give appropriate pronunciation to Arabicized foreign words. My Arabic interest never got much further west than Libya, so I didn&#039;t run across much of that.

The 10 or so dialects that I &quot;focused&quot; on were sufficient to hold my interest for 20 years. Ahem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully this doesn't get lost in the "old news" of stale blog posts, but anyway...</p>
<p>Sorry, Dave, I didn't mean to imply that I thought it was your quote. Since you had the excerpt in a blockquote, I thought it was pretty obvious that it was a Monitor error.</p>
<p>Yeah, John, I have vague recollections of those extra dots and such, used primarily, it seemed to me, to give appropriate pronunciation to Arabicized foreign words. My Arabic interest never got much further west than Libya, so I didn't run across much of that.</p>
<p>The 10 or so dialects that I "focused" on were sufficient to hold my interest for 20 years. Ahem.</p>
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		<title>By: G.A.Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_the_model/comment-page-1/#comment-1071028</link>
		<dc:creator>G.A.Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, Ahmadinejad&#039;s brand of folk religion, with the claims that the hidden Imam is directing the country&#039;s affairs, and bathing him in light&lt;/blockquote&gt; Maybe it&#039;s true......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, Ahmadinejad's brand of folk religion, with the claims that the hidden Imam is directing the country's affairs, and bathing him in light</p></blockquote>
<p> Maybe it's true......</p>
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		<title>By: John Burgess</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, the Monitor erred in calling it Arabic: it&#039;s certainly Farsi.

Boyd: North African dialects of Arabic (i.e. &#039;Maghrebi&#039;) often have a &#039;V&#039; sound, indicated by an extra dot under the letter &#039;fa&#039;. There are so many loan words from French that they had to make some adjustments. Similarly, Maghrebi Arabic will indicate a &#039;P&#039; sound with a dot under a &#039;ba&#039;.

Classical Arabic, of course, has neither a &#039;V&#039; or &#039;P&#039; sound natural to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the Monitor erred in calling it Arabic: it's certainly Farsi.</p>
<p>Boyd: North African dialects of Arabic (i.e. 'Maghrebi') often have a 'V' sound, indicated by an extra dot under the letter 'fa'. There are so many loan words from French that they had to make some adjustments. Similarly, Maghrebi Arabic will indicate a 'P' sound with a dot under a 'ba'.</p>
<p>Classical Arabic, of course, has neither a 'V' or 'P' sound natural to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_the_model/comment-page-1/#comment-1070766</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Boyd.  Fixed.

I speak several languages but neither Arabic nor Farsi is one of them.   I suspect you&#039;re right.  I just quoted; it&#039;s the &lt;b&gt;Monitor&#039;s&lt;/b&gt; flub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Boyd.  Fixed.</p>
<p>I speak several languages but neither Arabic nor Farsi is one of them.   I suspect you're right.  I just quoted; it's the <b>Monitor's</b> flub.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to provide a link to the Monitor article, Dave, but I want to throw a little &quot;anal retentive&quot; snark out there.

The supposed Arabic quote strikes me as incorrect, at least as far as it being in Arabic. While I don&#039;t claim fluency, I&#039;m still pretty familiar with the language, as well as having a bit of Farsi understanding. Since there&#039;s no &quot;v&quot; equivalent in Modern Standard Arabic (there may be a dialect with it, but I&#039;m not familiar with one), and the tendency in Farsi (but not Arabic) to end words in &quot;-e&quot; or &quot;-ye&quot;, I&#039;d be willing to bet that the quote is in Farsi, not Arabic.

I don&#039;t know what that says about the rest of their article, but I&#039;m pretty sure they missed the boat on that point.

Here ends the linguistic nerd portion of your comments. We return you to your regularly scheduled program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to provide a link to the Monitor article, Dave, but I want to throw a little "anal retentive" snark out there.</p>
<p>The supposed Arabic quote strikes me as incorrect, at least as far as it being in Arabic. While I don't claim fluency, I'm still pretty familiar with the language, as well as having a bit of Farsi understanding. Since there's no "v" equivalent in Modern Standard Arabic (there may be a dialect with it, but I'm not familiar with one), and the tendency in Farsi (but not Arabic) to end words in "-e" or "-ye", I'd be willing to bet that the quote is in Farsi, not Arabic.</p>
<p>I don't know what that says about the rest of their article, but I'm pretty sure they missed the boat on that point.</p>
<p>Here ends the linguistic nerd portion of your comments. We return you to your regularly scheduled program.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ali Sistani is deserving of praise as the Monitor reminds us. His example and teaching stand in stark opposition to Khomeinism and as such he presents a rebuke and threat to the Iranian ruling oligarchy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Michael Rubin claimed last week in the L.A. Times that &quot;the majority of Iran&#039;s grand ayatollahs oppose the concept of theological rule. Not by coincidence, the majority are now in prison or under house arrest.&quot;  There is a base of religous opposition to the regime.

Also, Ahmadinejad&#039;s brand of folk religion, with the claims that the hidden Imam is directing the country&#039;s affairs, and bathing him in light, are offending other clerics as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ali Sistani is deserving of praise as the Monitor reminds us. His example and teaching stand in stark opposition to Khomeinism and as such he presents a rebuke and threat to the Iranian ruling oligarchy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Michael Rubin claimed last week in the L.A. Times that "the majority of Iran's grand ayatollahs oppose the concept of theological rule. Not by coincidence, the majority are now in prison or under house arrest."  There is a base of religous opposition to the regime.</p>
<p>Also, Ahmadinejad's brand of folk religion, with the claims that the hidden Imam is directing the country's affairs, and bathing him in light, are offending other clerics as well.</p>
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