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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Reverend Eric Lee Belittles Jewish Philanthropist...&lt;/strong&gt;

Blacks continually claim racism is still alive and undaunted in America.&#160; 
 
They should know.... 
 
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  Barrack Obama&#039;s friend and minister Reverend Wright appears not to be the only one claiming oppre...</description>
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<p>Blacks continually claim racism is still alive and undaunted in America.  </p>
<p>They should know.... </p>
<p>From LGF via the Jawa Report </p>
<p>  Barrack Obama's friend and minister Reverend Wright appears not to be the only one claiming oppre...</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Star Chronicles</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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My husband is a Survivorman fan so that means Ive watched Les Stroud mark his territory more than once myself. You know how it is, we women watch what our men watch. Its just a fact of life, men control the remote.

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<p>My husband is a Survivorman fan so that means Ive watched Les Stroud mark his territory more than once myself. You know how it is, we women watch what our men watch. Its just a fact of life, men control the remote.</p>
<p>Interestingly, there is a story....</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Star Chronicles</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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Just when Ive been hearing how the United States feeds people what they are supposed to think from people who say they havent got the freedom to speak openly even while they are openly speaking . I see a press release from Chinas official Olymp...</description>
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<p>Just when Ive been hearing how the United States feeds people what they are supposed to think from people who say they havent got the freedom to speak openly even while they are openly speaking . I see a press release from Chinas official Olymp...</p>
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		<title>By: LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION: OBAMA WOULD BE THE END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT &#124; D=S</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The facts don’t matter, Just the feel...&lt;/strong&gt;

Reposting this from 2006. 
 
The world of politics is never pretty and often very ugly. 
 
One of the most ugly features is how the politicians switch facts around to protect their argument.&#160; They determine a conclusion that fits their needs, ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The facts don&rsquo;t matter, Just the feel...</strong></p>
<p>Reposting this from 2006. </p>
<p>The world of politics is never pretty and often very ugly. </p>
<p>One of the most ugly features is how the politicians switch facts around to protect their argument.  They determine a conclusion that fits their needs, ...</p>
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		<title>By: Mark My Words</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Barrack Obama - 100 years of *fill in the blank*...&lt;/strong&gt;

Obama and his campaign (along with Hillary!) have been making much of John McCain using the term 100 years in regard to Iraq. The claim being that McCain is ok with war lasting 100 years. But in a case of perhaps hell is seeing ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Barrack Obama - 100 years of *fill in the blank*...</strong></p>
<p>Obama and his campaign (along with Hillary!) have been making much of John McCain using the term 100 years in regard to Iraq. The claim being that McCain is ok with war lasting 100 years. But in a case of perhaps hell is seeing ......</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Not Iran, just Shiite clerics in Iran. After all, his delegation was sent to Qom, not Tehran&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True, but then again, there&#039;s the issue of how much influence Qom has on Tehran....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not Iran, just Shiite clerics in Iran. After all, his delegation was sent to Qom, not Tehran</p></blockquote>
<p>True, but then again, there's the issue of how much influence Qom has on Tehran....</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not convinced. He basically laid the question at the feet of Iran, and told us he&#039;d act at their directive. Still, he may ahve his own motivations....&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not Iran, just Shiite clerics in Iran.  After all, his delegation was sent to Qom, not Tehran.  I imagine that they will do much the same as the Najaf clerics did, and refuse to be drawn into Sadr&#039;s politic fight, despite how much Tehran would like to see Maliki and the Badr corps solidify their authority in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I'm not convinced. He basically laid the question at the feet of Iran, and told us he'd act at their directive. Still, he may ahve his own motivations....</p></blockquote>
<p>Not Iran, just Shiite clerics in Iran.  After all, his delegation was sent to Qom, not Tehran.  I imagine that they will do much the same as the Najaf clerics did, and refuse to be drawn into Sadr's politic fight, despite how much Tehran would like to see Maliki and the Badr corps solidify their authority in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sadr has thus far not seemed inclined to be subservient to Iran, and as I noted above it doesn&#039;t seem they&#039;ve told him much of anything, let alone telling him no.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not convinced. He basically laid the question at the feet of Iran, and told us he&#039;d act at their directive. Still, he may ahve his own motivations....

&lt;blockquote&gt;LOTR references don&#039;t exactly help make your case Bit&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps, but the similarity is striking, none the less...a nd I for one can&#039;t think of a real life stirep that is similar enough to remark on. He strikes me as doing Iran&#039;s bidding, with the idea of being a high up part of that food chain when all is said and done. As I say, he&#039;s acting like he&#039;s got his own motivations. And I suppose given the numbers that LOTR turned in, the reference is a little better understood than are most Trek memes. Indeed; is there anyone here who does NOT understand it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sadr has thus far not seemed inclined to be subservient to Iran, and as I noted above it doesn't seem they've told him much of anything, let alone telling him no.</p></blockquote>
<p>I'm not convinced. He basically laid the question at the feet of Iran, and told us he'd act at their directive. Still, he may ahve his own motivations....</p>
<blockquote><p>LOTR references don't exactly help make your case Bit</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps, but the similarity is striking, none the less...a nd I for one can't think of a real life stirep that is similar enough to remark on. He strikes me as doing Iran's bidding, with the idea of being a high up part of that food chain when all is said and done. As I say, he's acting like he's got his own motivations. And I suppose given the numbers that LOTR turned in, the reference is a little better understood than are most Trek memes. Indeed; is there anyone here who does NOT understand it?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlton Heston Speaks On Global Climate Change! &#171; nuke gingrich</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Probably Sadr&#039;s people expected this, and already had the spin of &quot;they refused that&quot; ready to go, betting on Sistani&#039;s people not publicly correcting them and thereby jumping into the political fray.&lt;/em&gt;

Indeed.  And if Iraqis are as poor at following politics as US citizens are, this will work exactly as if Sistani had said it himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Probably Sadr's people expected this, and already had the spin of "they refused that" ready to go, betting on Sistani's people not publicly correcting them and thereby jumping into the political fray.</em></p>
<p>Indeed.  And if Iraqis are as poor at following politics as US citizens are, this will work exactly as if Sistani had said it himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal,
    Only Sistani seems to have done neither.  By giving no orders to Sadr, he not only marginalizes him religiously, it also makes him entirely responsible for either the disbanding or continuation of the Mahdi army.  Probably Sadr&#039;s people expected this, and already had the spin of &quot;they refused that&quot; ready to go, betting on Sistani&#039;s people not publicly correcting them and thereby jumping into the political fray.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What we see here, is Sadr, not Maleki trying to capitulate,and his Iranian masters telling him no.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sadr has thus far not seemed inclined to be subservient to Iran, and as I noted above it doesn&#039;t seem they&#039;ve told him much of anything, let alone telling him no.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It strikes me his position is not unlike Saruman in LOTR.&lt;/blockquote&gt;LOTR references don&#039;t exactly help make your case Bit.  Nor do star trek or star wars references, in case you were thinking of using one of those next time.  In fact, it&#039;s probably best to stick with history and facts, rather than pop culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal,<br />
    Only Sistani seems to have done neither.  By giving no orders to Sadr, he not only marginalizes him religiously, it also makes him entirely responsible for either the disbanding or continuation of the Mahdi army.  Probably Sadr's people expected this, and already had the spin of "they refused that" ready to go, betting on Sistani's people not publicly correcting them and thereby jumping into the political fray.</p>
<blockquote><p>What we see here, is Sadr, not Maleki trying to capitulate,and his Iranian masters telling him no.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sadr has thus far not seemed inclined to be subservient to Iran, and as I noted above it doesn't seem they've told him much of anything, let alone telling him no.</p>
<blockquote><p>It strikes me his position is not unlike Saruman in LOTR.</p></blockquote>
<p>LOTR references don't exactly help make your case Bit.  Nor do star trek or star wars references, in case you were thinking of using one of those next time.  In fact, it's probably best to stick with history and facts, rather than pop culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And as many people, including James have pointed out, security progress was not the goal of the surge, it was the means. The goal was political progress.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it was and remains the prerequisite.


&lt;blockquote&gt; It appears that Sadr is off the hook: “Iraq’s top Shiite religious leaders have told anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr not to disband his Mehdi Army, an al-Sadr spokesman said Monday amid fresh fighting in the militia’s Baghdad strongholds.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And so now, Sadr finds himself bewteen Iraq and a hard place. What we see here, is Sadr, not Maleki trying to capitulate,and his Iranian masters telling him no.  But why would he try to capitulate, if he had the uper hand? Clearly, he doesn&#039;t think he does. 

It strikes me his position is not unlike Saruman in LOTR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And as many people, including James have pointed out, security progress was not the goal of the surge, it was the means. The goal was political progress.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it was and remains the prerequisite.</p>
<blockquote><p> It appears that Sadr is off the hook: “Iraq&rsquo;s top Shiite religious leaders have told anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr not to disband his Mehdi Army, an al-Sadr spokesman said Monday amid fresh fighting in the militia&rsquo;s Baghdad strongholds.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And so now, Sadr finds himself bewteen Iraq and a hard place. What we see here, is Sadr, not Maleki trying to capitulate,and his Iranian masters telling him no.  But why would he try to capitulate, if he had the uper hand? Clearly, he doesn't think he does. </p>
<p>It strikes me his position is not unlike Saruman in LOTR.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;that article was the source of his argument, not the vindication of it.&lt;em&gt; My mistake.

&lt;em&gt;In addition, Cole&#039;s take of the headline seems more skeptical than yours&lt;/em&gt;

My point is simply that the people pushing the line that we&#039;ve finally seen light and political progress is now here, replete with a full formal pony guard is lunacy to declare.  Sadr is involved in a rather interesting and subtle political game which he seems to be winning quite handily.  To quote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/04/iraqi_militias_disbanding_under_pressure/#comment-325022&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;axt113&#039;s comment&lt;/a&gt; in this thread&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;For Sadr its a win-win, if Sistani tells him to disband he looks like the peacemaker and true follower and rides the road to becoming the next Ayatollah and winning the elections in the fall.

If he tells him not to disband, then Sadr can say that the religion wants him to continue the fight against the evil occupiers and he&#039;ll have the support of the shia people, because sistanti is their religious leader.

those who think that he&#039;s backing down under pressure don&#039;t understand how politics works. Maliki tried to outmanuevar him but ended up playing right into Sadr&#039;s hands&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Which pretty much sums up my position on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>that article was the source of his argument, not the vindication of it.</em><em> My mistake.</p>
<p></em><em>In addition, Cole's take of the headline seems more skeptical than yours</em></p>
<p>My point is simply that the people pushing the line that we've finally seen light and political progress is now here, replete with a full formal pony guard is lunacy to declare.  Sadr is involved in a rather interesting and subtle political game which he seems to be winning quite handily.  To quote <a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/04/iraqi_militias_disbanding_under_pressure/#comment-325022" rel="nofollow">axt113's comment</a> in this thread<br />
<blockquote><em>For Sadr its a win-win, if Sistani tells him to disband he looks like the peacemaker and true follower and rides the road to becoming the next Ayatollah and winning the elections in the fall.</p>
<p>If he tells him not to disband, then Sadr can say that the religion wants him to continue the fight against the evil occupiers and he'll have the support of the shia people, because sistanti is their religious leader.</p>
<p>those who think that he's backing down under pressure don't understand how politics works. Maliki tried to outmanuevar him but ended up playing right into Sadr's hands</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Which pretty much sums up my position on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, Cole&#039;s take of the headline seems more skeptical than yours (or even the update posted by James.)  From the CNN article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But al-Sadr spokesman Salah al-Obeidi said al-Sadr has consulted with Iraq&#039;s Shiite clerical leadership &quot;and they refused that.&quot; He did not provide details of the talks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;To which Cole&#039;s analysis is:
&lt;blockquote&gt;They are not so foolish as to take responsibility for dissolving a militia that they had nothing to do with creating. And that is probably the real meaning of this CNN report that they &#039;refused&#039; when asked. I doubt the grand ayatollahs in Najaf actively commanded Muqtada to keep his militia. They just declined to get drawn in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So they&#039;re not telling him to keep his army, they&#039;re saying they won&#039;t get involved in this political infighting, that they are not responsible for Sadr or his Mahdi army.

Now it will be interesting to see what the decision is in Qom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, Cole's take of the headline seems more skeptical than yours (or even the update posted by James.)  From the CNN article:</p>
<blockquote><p>But al-Sadr spokesman Salah al-Obeidi said al-Sadr has consulted with Iraq's Shiite clerical leadership "and they refused that." He did not provide details of the talks.</p></blockquote>
<p>To which Cole's analysis is:</p>
<blockquote><p>They are not so foolish as to take responsibility for dissolving a militia that they had nothing to do with creating. And that is probably the real meaning of this CNN report that they 'refused' when asked. I doubt the grand ayatollahs in Najaf actively commanded Muqtada to keep his militia. They just declined to get drawn in.</p></blockquote>
<p>So they're not telling him to keep his army, they're saying they won't get involved in this political infighting, that they are not responsible for Sadr or his Mahdi army.</p>
<p>Now it will be interesting to see what the decision is in Qom.</p>
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