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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_bigger_picture_/comment-page-1/#comment-25014</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefties love the word &quot;pathetic&quot;.... perhaps distraught over the candidate they &quot;settled for&quot;.

The only people  &quot;re-branding&quot; the war effort are demoracts.  The president gave many, many reasons to congress, and the U.N.  Kerry and Edwards saw the same evidence and agreed, Saddam was a threat.  If their argument is that they were &quot;mislead&quot; or &quot;lied to&quot;, I suppose the President can make the same case for himself. But, to now say they only authorized the &quot;threat of war&quot; is an absolute cop-out.

The truth is, while the administration was attempting to satisfy those who would never endorse the war, Saddam had all the time in the world to export his arms.  As a result, they are now very likely available to terrorists; because of the long and unsuccessful diplomacy battle. 

It was the right war, a little bit past the right time, at exactly the right place.

Why is it that when the question of Iraq comes up, the case is made for war against Iran, North Korea, or in Sudan?  Does  any one against the Iraq war actually endorse a war anywhere else?  These inflammatory hypotheticals aggrevate a situation that could result in world war, or the use of &quot;nuke-u-lar&quot; weapons. One step at a time. We have seen the effect of Clinton&#039;s &quot;containment&quot; strategy on Saddam, Al Qaeda, and North Korea.  All failures.

President Bush has actually made strong arguments for Iraq being a component of the larger war on terror, and in sending a message to Islamist radicals in the Middle East.  The democrats just aren&#039;t listening- all he does is lie, right? SO, why listen to what your President has to say.
They haven&#039;t gotten over the &quot;No Blood for Oil&quot; thing either.  I haven&#039;t seen much of our focus on oil.  I have seen a lot of focus on security, elections, schools, hospitals, infrastructure. Isn&#039;t it REALLY the Russians and the French holding all the oil vouchers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefties love the word "pathetic".... perhaps distraught over the candidate they "settled for".</p>
<p>The only people  "re-branding" the war effort are demoracts.  The president gave many, many reasons to congress, and the U.N.  Kerry and Edwards saw the same evidence and agreed, Saddam was a threat.  If their argument is that they were "mislead" or "lied to", I suppose the President can make the same case for himself. But, to now say they only authorized the "threat of war" is an absolute cop-out.</p>
<p>The truth is, while the administration was attempting to satisfy those who would never endorse the war, Saddam had all the time in the world to export his arms.  As a result, they are now very likely available to terrorists; because of the long and unsuccessful diplomacy battle. </p>
<p>It was the right war, a little bit past the right time, at exactly the right place.</p>
<p>Why is it that when the question of Iraq comes up, the case is made for war against Iran, North Korea, or in Sudan?  Does  any one against the Iraq war actually endorse a war anywhere else?  These inflammatory hypotheticals aggrevate a situation that could result in world war, or the use of "nuke-u-lar" weapons. One step at a time. We have seen the effect of Clinton's "containment" strategy on Saddam, Al Qaeda, and North Korea.  All failures.</p>
<p>President Bush has actually made strong arguments for Iraq being a component of the larger war on terror, and in sending a message to Islamist radicals in the Middle East.  The democrats just aren't listening- all he does is lie, right? SO, why listen to what your President has to say.<br />
They haven't gotten over the "No Blood for Oil" thing either.  I haven't seen much of our focus on oil.  I have seen a lot of focus on security, elections, schools, hospitals, infrastructure. Isn't it REALLY the Russians and the French holding all the oil vouchers?</p>
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		<title>By: Anjin-San</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_bigger_picture_/comment-page-1/#comment-24973</link>
		<dc:creator>Anjin-San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone really buy the Bush admin&#039;s pathetic attempts to re-brand the war?  Bush told us it was about Saddam&#039;s WMD. Period.  Rumsfeld said we had &quot;bulletproof&quot; evidence of WMD. Rice (who knew better) warned us of mushroom clouds over US cities. 

The world has plenty of evil bastards running countries, including one who has built real, not fantasy WMD&#039;s which threaten the West Coast at this very moment. All while Bush obsessed over Saddam.  

Funny how we just had to take out the evil bastard who was sitting atop an ocean of oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone really buy the Bush admin's pathetic attempts to re-brand the war?  Bush told us it was about Saddam's WMD. Period.  Rumsfeld said we had "bulletproof" evidence of WMD. Rice (who knew better) warned us of mushroom clouds over US cities. </p>
<p>The world has plenty of evil bastards running countries, including one who has built real, not fantasy WMD's which threaten the West Coast at this very moment. All while Bush obsessed over Saddam.  </p>
<p>Funny how we just had to take out the evil bastard who was sitting atop an ocean of oil.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq DID present a threat to the U.S.  At least, that&#039;s what Kerry and Edwards told us. Hindsight always being 20/20, perhaps we should wait a few months for a new revelation. 
 
Unfortunately, the Commander in Chief does not have the luxury of waiting to see how things will pan out. Kerry scares the hell out of me.  If he is elected, I will be traveling to Washington to do some medal-throwing of my own...

I suppose his solution &quot;knowing what we know now&quot; would have been to wait to go to war, and continue to finance terrorism and Saddam&#039;s torture chambers, with U.S. (oil-for-food) currency. Why hasn&#039;t anybody called him on this?

...And what about building the coalition?  Does anybody believe that countries implicated in the U.N. ripoff, countries raking in money by violating sanctions, and profitting from Iraqi oil, would have ever supported the war, even if Saddam was proven to have stockpiles of WMD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq DID present a threat to the U.S.  At least, that's what Kerry and Edwards told us. Hindsight always being 20/20, perhaps we should wait a few months for a new revelation. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the Commander in Chief does not have the luxury of waiting to see how things will pan out. Kerry scares the hell out of me.  If he is elected, I will be traveling to Washington to do some medal-throwing of my own...</p>
<p>I suppose his solution "knowing what we know now" would have been to wait to go to war, and continue to finance terrorism and Saddam's torture chambers, with U.S. (oil-for-food) currency. Why hasn't anybody called him on this?</p>
<p>...And what about building the coalition?  Does anybody believe that countries implicated in the U.N. ripoff, countries raking in money by violating sanctions, and profitting from Iraqi oil, would have ever supported the war, even if Saddam was proven to have stockpiles of WMD?</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, save your speeches for people who don&#039;t have any working brain cells.</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop patting yourselves on the back while you spend my tax money on your noble cause. If you haven&#039;t noticed your noble cause is killing more innocent Iraqis, in the name of what - freedom? - than were killed on September 11, 2001. How about the freedom to be safe from an invading army and smart bombs? Or that asking too much?

Iraq was a mistake. Trying to justify it as a noble cause, after the fact, is pathetic. 

Bush rushed to war when anyone could see that the sanctions were working. Everyone agreed before Bush started his propaganda campaign that Iraq was not a threat. Colin Powell, Condi Rice, everybody said that Saddam was contained. 

I was willing to listen, although with a great deal of scepticism, cause Bush was so fervent about it. Now it looks like he just out and out lied. HE LIED. 

There were plenty of credible people who had doubts about those WMD. Bush said there were none. HE LIED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop patting yourselves on the back while you spend my tax money on your noble cause. If you haven't noticed your noble cause is killing more innocent Iraqis, in the name of what - freedom? - than were killed on September 11, 2001. How about the freedom to be safe from an invading army and smart bombs? Or that asking too much?</p>
<p>Iraq was a mistake. Trying to justify it as a noble cause, after the fact, is pathetic. </p>
<p>Bush rushed to war when anyone could see that the sanctions were working. Everyone agreed before Bush started his propaganda campaign that Iraq was not a threat. Colin Powell, Condi Rice, everybody said that Saddam was contained. </p>
<p>I was willing to listen, although with a great deal of scepticism, cause Bush was so fervent about it. Now it looks like he just out and out lied. HE LIED. </p>
<p>There were plenty of credible people who had doubts about those WMD. Bush said there were none. HE LIED.</p>
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		<title>By: Attila Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_bigger_picture_/comment-page-1/#comment-24941</link>
		<dc:creator>Attila Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how the President is somehow expected to retroactively know  something that no one else in the world knew: that Saddam was (probably) bluffing about what he had in the way of WMD. 

And he was, of course, supposed to ignore the legal problem presented by the fact that Saddam (WMDs or no) was flouting the terms of the agreement that ended the first Gulf War, and somehow figure out a way to make sanctions and inspections work (when they never had, not for a dozen years).

And notwithstanding the fact that thousands of Americans died in 2001 because we &quot;knew&quot; terrorists wouldn&#039;t ever do us serious harm, he was supposed to err on the side of risk-taking rather than caution.

Ken would have done better. If only Ken had been in the White House then, he would have kept us safe on the cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how the President is somehow expected to retroactively know  something that no one else in the world knew: that Saddam was (probably) bluffing about what he had in the way of WMD. </p>
<p>And he was, of course, supposed to ignore the legal problem presented by the fact that Saddam (WMDs or no) was flouting the terms of the agreement that ended the first Gulf War, and somehow figure out a way to make sanctions and inspections work (when they never had, not for a dozen years).</p>
<p>And notwithstanding the fact that thousands of Americans died in 2001 because we "knew" terrorists wouldn't ever do us serious harm, he was supposed to err on the side of risk-taking rather than caution.</p>
<p>Ken would have done better. If only Ken had been in the White House then, he would have kept us safe on the cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: JakeV</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_bigger_picture_/comment-page-1/#comment-24940</link>
		<dc:creator>JakeV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems so long ago that Bush was saying that his goal was to &quot;disarm&quot; Saddam.  What&#039;s more, he said that he hoped to &quot;disarm&quot; him peacefully. 

It seems so long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems so long ago that Bush was saying that his goal was to "disarm" Saddam.  What's more, he said that he hoped to "disarm" him peacefully. </p>
<p>It seems so long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Save your speeches for the Rotary Club. No one told us that we were going to Iraq for some &#039;noble cause&#039;. It was supposed to be because Iraq, with WMD, presented such a threat me and my family that my tax money and my countriy&#039;s military should be expended to defend me from those WMD. Does anyone remember the mushroom cloud over America threat made repeatedly by the administration? THAT is why we went to war. It turned out to be a lie. And now you think some silly Rotary Club speechifying is going to make it all right. Pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Save your speeches for the Rotary Club. No one told us that we were going to Iraq for some 'noble cause'. It was supposed to be because Iraq, with WMD, presented such a threat me and my family that my tax money and my countriy's military should be expended to defend me from those WMD. Does anyone remember the mushroom cloud over America threat made repeatedly by the administration? THAT is why we went to war. It turned out to be a lie. And now you think some silly Rotary Club speechifying is going to make it all right. Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: IR</title>
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		<dc:creator>IR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough slapping...The original focus of the blog...The WP piece....Nicely done...and reflective of our society as a whole that he would have to remind us of what was, and what could have been.  We live in an &quot;immediate gratification&quot; vaccum.  Anything short of instantaneous satisfaction sends the less focused and disciplined into a hand wringing exercise.  I&#039;m sure the same folks bough 8 Track Players...and some probably still use them...
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough slapping...The original focus of the blog...The WP piece....Nicely done...and reflective of our society as a whole that he would have to remind us of what was, and what could have been.  We live in an "immediate gratification" vaccum.  Anything short of instantaneous satisfaction sends the less focused and disciplined into a hand wringing exercise.  I'm sure the same folks bough 8 Track Players...and some probably still use them...<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: IR</title>
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		<dc:creator>IR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh, perhaps we can apply Ken&#039;s logic in a mirror.  86% of the citizens of New Mexico agreed with the Legislation that first time voters need show ID.  Yet, the Secretary of State (who represents those citizens) filed suit claiming that only mail-in registrations required ID.  The SOS won that case. Of course the DNC and a &#039;non-partisan&#039; registration groups joined the suit in support of the  SOS..and 14% of the electorate.

Hey, stop using my tax dollars, my Country, and my public officials to circumvent Democracy...*chuckle*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, perhaps we can apply Ken's logic in a mirror.  86% of the citizens of New Mexico agreed with the Legislation that first time voters need show ID.  Yet, the Secretary of State (who represents those citizens) filed suit claiming that only mail-in registrations required ID.  The SOS won that case. Of course the DNC and a 'non-partisan' registration groups joined the suit in support of the  SOS..and 14% of the electorate.</p>
<p>Hey, stop using my tax dollars, my Country, and my public officials to circumvent Democracy...*chuckle*</p>
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		<title>By: The Kudzu Files</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Kudzu Files</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Which Bigger Picture In Iraq?&lt;/strong&gt;
Outside The Beltway writes about Iraq&#039;s bigger picture, based on an article in today&#039;s Washington Post by Jim Hoagland. And there&#039;s no denying the basic facts as Hoagland presents them: Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a decaying, unstable regime that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Which Bigger Picture In Iraq?</strong><br />
Outside The Beltway writes about Iraq's bigger picture, based on an article in today's Washington Post by Jim Hoagland. And there's no denying the basic facts as Hoagland presents them: Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a decaying, unstable regime that...</p>
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		<title>By: The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sadaam Was A Bad Guy&lt;/strong&gt;
The Washington Post&#039;s Jim Hoagland reminds us just how bad a guy Sadaam Hussein was -- while not excusing the Bush administration&#039;s problems in justifying the war. In a column where he tries to stand back from partisan rhetoric swirling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sadaam Was A Bad Guy</strong><br />
The Washington Post's Jim Hoagland reminds us just how bad a guy Sadaam Hussein was -- while not excusing the Bush administration's problems in justifying the war. In a column where he tries to stand back from partisan rhetoric swirling</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in your hole, Ken. Put your hands over your ears and sing lalalala as loud as you can. The world will obligingly go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in your hole, Ken. Put your hands over your ears and sing lalalala as loud as you can. The world will obligingly go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Meezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not *your* military, money, etc., Ken, it&#039;s *ours*.  Enough of us wanted to do this that it was a majority.   That&#039;s called Democracy, son, and if you don&#039;t care for it, there are lots of places where you don&#039;t have to live under its tyrany.
I don&#039;t like the way money is spent on education, but until I convince enough of my *fellow* citizens to change things, I have to go along or leave.  It is my choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not *your* military, money, etc., Ken, it's *ours*.  Enough of us wanted to do this that it was a majority.   That's called Democracy, son, and if you don't care for it, there are lots of places where you don't have to live under its tyrany.<br />
I don't like the way money is spent on education, but until I convince enough of my *fellow* citizens to change things, I have to go along or leave.  It is my choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God save us from any more of your noble causes.

I suppose I wouldn&#039;t mind as much if it weren&#039;t my taxes, my military, my country doing all the fighting and dying for your noble cause. But since it is, in the future, please try to undertake your noble causes on your own dime. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God save us from any more of your noble causes.</p>
<p>I suppose I wouldn't mind as much if it weren't my taxes, my military, my country doing all the fighting and dying for your noble cause. But since it is, in the future, please try to undertake your noble causes on your own dime. Thanks.</p>
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