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	<title>Comments on: Iraq&#8217;s Foreign Fighters: Few But Deadly</title>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_foreign_fighters_few_but_deadly/comment-page-1/#comment-59074</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, Cole speaks passable Arabic but he reads it as well as any educated Arab. This is not surprising as he is a middle east scholar based in the US so he doesn&#039;t have a lot of practice speaking with the native born. I believe he is fluent in at least eight languages. 

There may be other &#039;experts&#039; on the middle east but Cole has made himself available through the internet as no one else with equal expertise or credentials has. His credibility has been earned by being right about the facts when the MSM was nothing but a propaganda organ for the Bush War on Iraq. 

I am sure some middle eastern scholars are jealous of his renown, after all, academic rivalries can get out of hand. Anyone who steps out and bests his colleagues, as Cole has, with a blog that had become the authoritative source for information on the players and what his happening in the region is bound to make some people angry at being left behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, Cole speaks passable Arabic but he reads it as well as any educated Arab. This is not surprising as he is a middle east scholar based in the US so he doesn't have a lot of practice speaking with the native born. I believe he is fluent in at least eight languages. </p>
<p>There may be other 'experts' on the middle east but Cole has made himself available through the internet as no one else with equal expertise or credentials has. His credibility has been earned by being right about the facts when the MSM was nothing but a propaganda organ for the Bush War on Iraq. </p>
<p>I am sure some middle eastern scholars are jealous of his renown, after all, academic rivalries can get out of hand. Anyone who steps out and bests his colleagues, as Cole has, with a blog that had become the authoritative source for information on the players and what his happening in the region is bound to make some people angry at being left behind.</p>
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		<title>By: spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_foreign_fighters_few_but_deadly/comment-page-1/#comment-59070</link>
		<dc:creator>spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreigners have always constituted a very small share -- under 5% -- of the number of prisoners.

Unless you have a reason to think that foreigners are better at evading capture,
this report just confirms the impression
the prisoner count has provided all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigners have always constituted a very small share -- under 5% -- of the number of prisoners.</p>
<p>Unless you have a reason to think that foreigners are better at evading capture,<br />
this report just confirms the impression<br />
the prisoner count has provided all along.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_foreign_fighters_few_but_deadly/comment-page-1/#comment-59056</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ken, I&#039;m curious about what you&#039;re basing your estimate of Professor Cole&#039;s credentials on.  His area of study appears to be contemporary Middle Eastern religious movements particularly Shi&#039;a and Baha&#039;i.  He&#039;s never been to Iraq and, to the best of my knowledge hasn&#039;t been to Iran in 25 years.  I believe that most of his actual time in the Middle East was in Lebanon.

Not all Middle Eastern scholars appear to be as impressed as you are.  There&#039;s some evidence that native Arabic speakers find his command of the language amusing.

I know he&#039;s a bigwig in Middle Eastern scholarly circles.  I&#039;ve read his C. V.  Why do &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; think his expertise is relevant?  I&#039;m not challenging you.  I genuinely want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ken, I'm curious about what you're basing your estimate of Professor Cole's credentials on.  His area of study appears to be contemporary Middle Eastern religious movements particularly Shi'a and Baha'i.  He's never been to Iraq and, to the best of my knowledge hasn't been to Iran in 25 years.  I believe that most of his actual time in the Middle East was in Lebanon.</p>
<p>Not all Middle Eastern scholars appear to be as impressed as you are.  There's some evidence that native Arabic speakers find his command of the language amusing.</p>
<p>I know he's a bigwig in Middle Eastern scholarly circles.  I've read his C. V.  Why do <i>you</i> think his expertise is relevant?  I'm not challenging you.  I genuinely want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: The Masked McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Masked McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He is probably the best expert available who regulary writes about the middle east.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, just ask him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He is probably the best expert available who regulary writes about the middle east.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, just ask him.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ken: I read Juan Cole as often as I can stomach. Your contention is that heâs an objective analyst? Please.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cole knows his stuff James. He is probably the best expert available who regulary writes about the middle east. And yes, he is objective in the sense that any bias he has is a bias towards fact. And just because you do not like the facts does not mean that the writer is biased against you.

Anyway, in this case, he was right all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ken: I read Juan Cole as often as I can stomach. Your contention is that heâs an objective analyst? Please.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cole knows his stuff James. He is probably the best expert available who regulary writes about the middle east. And yes, he is objective in the sense that any bias he has is a bias towards fact. And just because you do not like the facts does not mean that the writer is biased against you.</p>
<p>Anyway, in this case, he was right all along.</p>
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		<title>By: LJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see the number of &quot;foreign fighters&quot; that are &quot;reported&quot; vs. those who actually strap on a vest and go Kablooey.

Ken-  no rebuttal necessary.  You&#039;re so far out there, man.  I suppose those &quot;little Eichmanns&quot; deserved it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to see the number of "foreign fighters" that are "reported" vs. those who actually strap on a vest and go Kablooey.</p>
<p>Ken-  no rebuttal necessary.  You're so far out there, man.  I suppose those "little Eichmanns" deserved it?</p>
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		<title>By: bullwinkle</title>
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		<dc:creator>bullwinkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty hard to downplay the role of foreign fighters in Iraq when the number 1 man leading the terrorsists and leader of al Qaeda in Iraq is Abu Musab al Zarqawi, from Jordan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's pretty hard to downplay the role of foreign fighters in Iraq when the number 1 man leading the terrorsists and leader of al Qaeda in Iraq is Abu Musab al Zarqawi, from Jordan.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_foreign_fighters_few_but_deadly/comment-page-1/#comment-59013</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please note that the U. S. military was peaceful before invading Iraq.  Bombs are also harmless until detonated and poisoned gas harmless until released.

It&#039;s a circular argument&#8212;self-defining and unproveable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note that the U. S. military was peaceful before invading Iraq.  Bombs are also harmless until detonated and poisoned gas harmless until released.</p>
<p>It's a circular argument&mdash;self-defining and unproveable.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,  Cole is about as objective as you or anyone who supports the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,  Cole is about as objective as you or anyone who supports the war.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken: I read Juan Cole as often as I can stomach.  Your contention is that he&#039;s an objective analyst? Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken: I read Juan Cole as often as I can stomach.  Your contention is that he's an objective analyst? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraqs_foreign_fighters_few_but_deadly/comment-page-1/#comment-59008</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One wonders about the &quot;many&quot; jihadists who were formerly peaceful, though. What percentage would that be, exactly?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be 100% James. Or close enough to it that it doesn&#039;t matter. 

This is not surprising to anyone who has been paying attention to reality based reporting instead of administration propaganda. If you were reading Juan Cole you would have known this long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One wonders about the "many" jihadists who were formerly peaceful, though. What percentage would that be, exactly?</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be 100% James. Or close enough to it that it doesn't matter. </p>
<p>This is not surprising to anyone who has been paying attention to reality based reporting instead of administration propaganda. If you were reading Juan Cole you would have known this long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If 3,000 foreign fighters are some 4% to 10% of the total number of insurgents this means that the total number of insurgents ranges from 30,000
to 75,000.

If even the 30,000 number is accurate this presents a very different picture of the insurgency.

The numbers I have heard put the insurgency at 5,000  members two years ago and 20,000 a year ago.  But for the last year I keep hearing that the number held steady at around 20,000.

But if the insurgency has increased to 30,000 rather then remaining constant at 20,000 it presents a very different picture of the battle.

If there are now 20,000 it meas the last year
has been a draw --  a big improvement.

But if the number of insurgents is now 30,000
or higher we have been doing much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 3,000 foreign fighters are some 4% to 10% of the total number of insurgents this means that the total number of insurgents ranges from 30,000<br />
to 75,000.</p>
<p>If even the 30,000 number is accurate this presents a very different picture of the insurgency.</p>
<p>The numbers I have heard put the insurgency at 5,000  members two years ago and 20,000 a year ago.  But for the last year I keep hearing that the number held steady at around 20,000.</p>
<p>But if the insurgency has increased to 30,000 rather then remaining constant at 20,000 it presents a very different picture of the battle.</p>
<p>If there are now 20,000 it meas the last year<br />
has been a draw --  a big improvement.</p>
<p>But if the number of insurgents is now 30,000<br />
or higher we have been doing much worse.</p>
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