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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17257</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This appears to be an outright lie by recruiters to help them in their efforts.  It had me pinging for a couple of days.  I&#039;m pretty pissed that the guard would try such an shady move.  The recruiter that called me said that if I didn&#039;t join the guard immediately I would be deployed to Iraq in the very near future.  -Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to be an outright lie by recruiters to help them in their efforts.  It had me pinging for a couple of days.  I'm pretty pissed that the guard would try such an shady move.  The recruiter that called me said that if I didn't join the guard immediately I would be deployed to Iraq in the very near future.  -Rich</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17258</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m willing to give the Army the benefit of the doubt that this was something innocent--either an internal memo someone wrote suggesting this as a possible solution to the problem or that there were going to be limited IRR call-ups for specialties in critical shortage--and then some industrious recruiters used it to their advantage.  But, hell, even that&#039;s pretty outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm willing to give the Army the benefit of the doubt that this was something innocent--either an internal memo someone wrote suggesting this as a possible solution to the problem or that there were going to be limited IRR call-ups for specialties in critical shortage--and then some industrious recruiters used it to their advantage.  But, hell, even that's pretty outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17259</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think this will be widespread news?  I think it&#039;s ridiculous!  I really don&#039;t believe it was a mistake--I think it was a ploy to get people to re-enlist and they probably didn&#039;t expect the level of outrage they got from IRRs.  I KNEW it couldn&#039;t be right!  But damn if everyone didn&#039;t believe it.  I feel so sorry for those in IRR who fell for it.  I wonder if there is any grounds to sue if they are not let out of their contract?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think this will be widespread news?  I think it's ridiculous!  I really don't believe it was a mistake--I think it was a ploy to get people to re-enlist and they probably didn't expect the level of outrage they got from IRRs.  I KNEW it couldn't be right!  But damn if everyone didn't believe it.  I feel so sorry for those in IRR who fell for it.  I wonder if there is any grounds to sue if they are not let out of their contract?</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17260</link>
		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the IRR thing for real?  My friend&#039;s mom got a call today from some Army guy.  Does he have to go back to the army?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the IRR thing for real?  My friend's mom got a call today from some Army guy.  Does he have to go back to the army?</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17261</link>
		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the IRR thing for real?  My friend&#039;s mom got a call today from some Army guy.  Does he have to go back to the army?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the IRR thing for real?  My friend's mom got a call today from some Army guy.  Does he have to go back to the army?</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17262</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erik--Read the damn story, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erik--Read the damn story, man.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17263</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know if the 22,000 IRRs they have identified to rejoin units have already been contacted?  And will these 22,000 be deployed or do they just have to join units?  I was a little confused by that part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know if the 22,000 IRRs they have identified to rejoin units have already been contacted?  And will these 22,000 be deployed or do they just have to join units?  I was a little confused by that part.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17264</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was contacted by two recruiters who told me I had been chosen to be involuntary assigned to an active Reserve Unit.  I have been in the IRR for 6 1/2 years and only have 1 and a half left.  I have two small children and my own business and I absolutely refused to volunteer.  The recruiter told me I would be receiving orders in the mail then.  I haven&#039;t received any orders yet though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was contacted by two recruiters who told me I had been chosen to be involuntary assigned to an active Reserve Unit.  I have been in the IRR for 6 1/2 years and only have 1 and a half left.  I have two small children and my own business and I absolutely refused to volunteer.  The recruiter told me I would be receiving orders in the mail then.  I haven't received any orders yet though.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17265</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my husband, who was in the IRR, is on orders to return to duty.  So, while the callup may not be as widespread as was originally broadcast, it is 100% for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my husband, who was in the IRR, is on orders to return to duty.  So, while the callup may not be as widespread as was originally broadcast, it is 100% for us.</p>
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		<title>By: paul lukasiak</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17266</link>
		<dc:creator>paul lukasiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT

this is really very simple and straightforward.  People&#039;s lives are not being disrupted, and the order is not an order to active duty.

The Reserves can be split into two groups--the &quot;Selected Reserves&quot; and everyone else.  The &quot;Selected Reserves&quot; are the people in Reserve units that do the &quot;one weekend a month, two weeks per year&quot; training that we are all familiar with from Recruitment advertizing.

When you sign up in the Military, you do so for eight years---but in most cases, you have to serve in the &quot;active duty component&quot; (e.g. the Regular Army) for only three or four years.  The rest of that time, you are supposed to become part of a Reserve Unit (e.g. Selected Reserves).

But there are only so many authorized Selected Reserve positions, and far more people who are required to serve in these positions.  These &quot;excess personnel&quot; get designated as Individual Ready Reserves&quot; and are not required to train as such.

Now that the Selected Reserve Units are being mobilized for Iraq duty, the Selected Reserves themselves have tens of thousands of available positions.  So, the Army is filling those positions with the people who are REQUIRED to fulfill those positions in the first place--the Individual Ready Reservists who were designated as &quot;excess personnel.&quot;

But all that is being required of them is that they show up one weekend a month, and two weeks per year, for reserve training.  They are NOT being mobilized for active duty, and their lives are NOT being disrupted to any great extent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT</p>
<p>this is really very simple and straightforward.  People's lives are not being disrupted, and the order is not an order to active duty.</p>
<p>The Reserves can be split into two groups--the "Selected Reserves" and everyone else.  The "Selected Reserves" are the people in Reserve units that do the "one weekend a month, two weeks per year" training that we are all familiar with from Recruitment advertizing.</p>
<p>When you sign up in the Military, you do so for eight years---but in most cases, you have to serve in the "active duty component" (e.g. the Regular Army) for only three or four years.  The rest of that time, you are supposed to become part of a Reserve Unit (e.g. Selected Reserves).</p>
<p>But there are only so many authorized Selected Reserve positions, and far more people who are required to serve in these positions.  These "excess personnel" get designated as Individual Ready Reserves" and are not required to train as such.</p>
<p>Now that the Selected Reserve Units are being mobilized for Iraq duty, the Selected Reserves themselves have tens of thousands of available positions.  So, the Army is filling those positions with the people who are REQUIRED to fulfill those positions in the first place--the Individual Ready Reservists who were designated as "excess personnel."</p>
<p>But all that is being required of them is that they show up one weekend a month, and two weeks per year, for reserve training.  They are NOT being mobilized for active duty, and their lives are NOT being disrupted to any great extent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17267</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought IRRs were recalled to fill up units that were being activated so that the units would not have gaps in them.  It doesn&#039;t make much sense to pull an IRR back in just so he can do one weekend a month.  Also, people choose to go into the IRR, they aren&#039;t designated to be in it.  I&#039;ve never heard of anyone being put into the IRR who didn&#039;t request the transfer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought IRRs were recalled to fill up units that were being activated so that the units would not have gaps in them.  It doesn't make much sense to pull an IRR back in just so he can do one weekend a month.  Also, people choose to go into the IRR, they aren't designated to be in it.  I've never heard of anyone being put into the IRR who didn't request the transfer.</p>
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		<title>By: Army Captain</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17268</link>
		<dc:creator>Army Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Lukasiak,

Unfortunately, you&#039;re not privy to the entire memo being sent around.  Kevin Drum and others have not posted its full text.  On a subsequent page, the order says that IRR soldiers selected for involuntary transfer are to be put into units scheduled to be deployed for OEF/OIF (Afghanistan/Iraq).  Once transferred into units on a deployment list, these soldiers then become stop-lossed.  So, you&#039;re right that this is not an immediate mobilization order.  However, it is a delayed mob order, and it effectively extends these people&#039;s military commitment for some time because of the future deployment which has been locked in.

Second note: most IRR soldiers are not required to serve in the select reserve, both by virture of their contracts and by virture of statute.  (See AR 135-91).  So it&#039;s not true that these people are being required to serve in a way that they agreed to.  They&#039;re being forced to serve more than they agreed to.

Third note: you&#039;re incorrect about the enlistment terms of soldiers.  It is true that soldiers sign up for an 8 year enlistment regardless of the actual terms in their contract -- this 8 year period is known as the &#039;statutory military service obligation&#039;.  However, if a soldier serves 4 years on active duty, he/she is *not* obligated to spend the rest of the 8 years in the select reserve (i.e. in active reserve units).  In fact, the opposite is true.  After completing the active-duty service obligation, soldiers are automatically discharged into the U.S. Army Reserve Control Group (Reinforcement), aka the &quot;individual ready reserve&quot;, and it is their choice whether they want to join the select reserve or not.  Many do, for the benefits involved.  But there is no obligation to do so.  You may want to download a DD-4 (enlistment contract) to see this for yourself, or check out the applicable Army regs at www.usapa.army.mil.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Lukasiak,</p>
<p>Unfortunately, you're not privy to the entire memo being sent around.  Kevin Drum and others have not posted its full text.  On a subsequent page, the order says that IRR soldiers selected for involuntary transfer are to be put into units scheduled to be deployed for OEF/OIF (Afghanistan/Iraq).  Once transferred into units on a deployment list, these soldiers then become stop-lossed.  So, you're right that this is not an immediate mobilization order.  However, it is a delayed mob order, and it effectively extends these people's military commitment for some time because of the future deployment which has been locked in.</p>
<p>Second note: most IRR soldiers are not required to serve in the select reserve, both by virture of their contracts and by virture of statute.  (See AR 135-91).  So it's not true that these people are being required to serve in a way that they agreed to.  They're being forced to serve more than they agreed to.</p>
<p>Third note: you're incorrect about the enlistment terms of soldiers.  It is true that soldiers sign up for an 8 year enlistment regardless of the actual terms in their contract -- this 8 year period is known as the 'statutory military service obligation'.  However, if a soldier serves 4 years on active duty, he/she is *not* obligated to spend the rest of the 8 years in the select reserve (i.e. in active reserve units).  In fact, the opposite is true.  After completing the active-duty service obligation, soldiers are automatically discharged into the U.S. Army Reserve Control Group (Reinforcement), aka the "individual ready reserve", and it is their choice whether they want to join the select reserve or not.  Many do, for the benefits involved.  But there is no obligation to do so.  You may want to download a DD-4 (enlistment contract) to see this for yourself, or check out the applicable Army regs at <a href="http://www.usapa.army.mil" rel="nofollow">http://www.usapa.army.mil</a>.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17269</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Jack, that&#039;s not right.  Indeed, everyone is automatically transferred to the IRR upon their discharge unless something has changed very recently.  I was in the IRR from my discharge from active duty in February 1992 until being released in  2002.  I could have resigned earlier (presumably, some time in late 1995 based on my pay entry base date) but never got around to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Jack, that's not right.  Indeed, everyone is automatically transferred to the IRR upon their discharge unless something has changed very recently.  I was in the IRR from my discharge from active duty in February 1992 until being released in  2002.  I could have resigned earlier (presumably, some time in late 1995 based on my pay entry base date) but never got around to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/irr_call-up_scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17270</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why they need 22,000 IRR.  The last I heard, they were only activating 37,000 Reserve and National Guard TOTAL.  Obviously, 22,000 of that 37,000 are not going to be IRR.  Are they only going to pull a portion of this 22,000 they identified?  Any info would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't understand why they need 22,000 IRR.  The last I heard, they were only activating 37,000 Reserve and National Guard TOTAL.  Obviously, 22,000 of that 37,000 are not going to be IRR.  Are they only going to pull a portion of this 22,000 they identified?  Any info would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: paul lukasiak</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul lukasiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I don&#039;t understand why they need 22,000 IRR. The last I heard, they were only activating 37,000 Reserve and National Guard TOTAL. Obviously, 22,000 of that 37,000 are not going to be IRR. Are they only going to pull a portion of this 22,000 they identified? Any info would be appreciated.&lt;/i&gt;

well, once those 37k Reserve/NG are mobilized, it leaves a 37K gap between the number of people authorized to be in TPUs/Selected Reserve Units, and the number who are in TPUs/Selected Reserve Units.  So they are calling up IRRs to fill the Selected Reserve positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I don't understand why they need 22,000 IRR. The last I heard, they were only activating 37,000 Reserve and National Guard TOTAL. Obviously, 22,000 of that 37,000 are not going to be IRR. Are they only going to pull a portion of this 22,000 they identified? Any info would be appreciated.</i></p>
<p>well, once those 37k Reserve/NG are mobilized, it leaves a 37K gap between the number of people authorized to be in TPUs/Selected Reserve Units, and the number who are in TPUs/Selected Reserve Units.  So they are calling up IRRs to fill the Selected Reserve positions.</p>
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