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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/is_national_service_slavery/comment-page-2/#comment-998902</link>
		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Stop wasting my time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Its good that there is one person in the world who takes you seriously. Remember to thank  yourself for your support...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Stop wasting my time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Its good that there is one person in the world who takes you seriously. Remember to thank  yourself for your support...</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No, I hold that I won&#039;t accuse the war college of being political toadies simply because they reach a conclusion that I don&#039;t agree with.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, that you come to that conclusion even absent there pronouncement on the subject has no bearing on your support of them in this case, right?  We both know better.  Stop wasting my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No, I hold that I won't accuse the war college of being political toadies simply because they reach a conclusion that I don't agree with.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, that you come to that conclusion even absent there pronouncement on the subject has no bearing on your support of them in this case, right?  We both know better.  Stop wasting my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree, it is a creepy concept and I do not support making it mandatory.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree.  There, take &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; Bernard! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I agree, it is a creepy concept and I do not support making it mandatory.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree.  There, take <em>that</em> Bernard! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you&#039;ve all been talking about the similarities/differences between national service and the draft, I&#039;m surprised nobody has yet mentioned jury duty, a legal, non-military peace-time conscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you've all been talking about the similarities/differences between national service and the draft, I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned jury duty, a legal, non-military peace-time conscription.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, Anjin now holds military leadership never errs, and never succombs to political reality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I hold that I won&#039;t accuse the war college of being political toadies simply because they reach a conclusion that I don&#039;t agree with. As for Peterus, HIS boss was the one who said he was too involved in politics.  I guess you missed this part.

In the absence of a coherent argument, you trod your well-traveled path of hyperbole followed by anointing yourself victor in yet another joust. &quot;Fake it till you make it&quot;.. right?

Of Peterus, I must say politics aside, that his accomplishments are very impressive, and I give the Bush administration credit for a successful game plan change that we can file under better late than never...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, Anjin now holds military leadership never errs, and never succombs to political reality.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I hold that I won't accuse the war college of being political toadies simply because they reach a conclusion that I don't agree with. As for Peterus, HIS boss was the one who said he was too involved in politics.  I guess you missed this part.</p>
<p>In the absence of a coherent argument, you trod your well-traveled path of hyperbole followed by anointing yourself victor in yet another joust. "Fake it till you make it".. right?</p>
<p>Of Peterus, I must say politics aside, that his accomplishments are very impressive, and I give the Bush administration credit for a successful game plan change that we can file under better late than never...</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
it is hard to imbue this into conscripts outside of life or death situations.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, it&#039;s not that hard.  The mechanisms for doing this have been known for centuries.  However, I agree with you to the extent that I doubt we&#039;ll put them in place.  Actually, when put them in place is the time to start worrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
it is hard to imbue this into conscripts outside of life or death situations.
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<p>Actually, it's not that hard.  The mechanisms for doing this have been known for centuries.  However, I agree with you to the extent that I doubt we'll put them in place.  Actually, when put them in place is the time to start worrying.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is the effect of all this &#039;free&#039; labor on the market place? If the government &#039;volunteers&#039; are out fixing roads how does my paving company compete? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;ll get the contract to go back and correct the repairs done by unskilled &quot;free labor&quot;.  It always costs more to go back and re-do a job than it does to do it in the first place.  Remember, these are unskilled people doing mandatory time.  A person who volunteers out of free will is motivated to do a good job.  One who is forced to &quot;volunteer&quot; has little motivation except to avoid the whip.  Combat soldiers fight for the guy next to them, it is hard to imbue this into conscripts outside of life or death situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is the effect of all this 'free' labor on the market place? If the government 'volunteers' are out fixing roads how does my paving company compete? </p></blockquote>
<p>You'll get the contract to go back and correct the repairs done by unskilled "free labor".  It always costs more to go back and re-do a job than it does to do it in the first place.  Remember, these are unskilled people doing mandatory time.  A person who volunteers out of free will is motivated to do a good job.  One who is forced to "volunteer" has little motivation except to avoid the whip.  Combat soldiers fight for the guy next to them, it is hard to imbue this into conscripts outside of life or death situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Anjin now holds military leadership never errs, and never succombs to political reality. 
Amazing what Anjin can come up with when he feels himself cornered.

Is this the same guy who complained about Bush&#039;s generals being motivated by something other than military reality in Iraq, and that Bush&#039;s generals were only feeding him what he wanted to hear?
 
Laughable. You&#039;d better quit while you&#039;re behind, hoss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Anjin now holds military leadership never errs, and never succombs to political reality.<br />
Amazing what Anjin can come up with when he feels himself cornered.</p>
<p>Is this the same guy who complained about Bush's generals being motivated by something other than military reality in Iraq, and that Bush's generals were only feeding him what he wanted to hear?</p>
<p>Laughable. You'd better quit while you're behind, hoss.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Personally, I&#039;m not quite so naieve to think that the place is immune to the political.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right, you &quot;support the troops&quot; when it is politically convenient for you, and if it is  not, why you don&#039;t hesitate to accuse the men who actually wear the uniform of subordinating their duty to politics.

Disgusting, but hardly surprising. When you political needs require it, you are very quick to take an &lt;strong&gt;anti-military&lt;/strong&gt; position...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Personally, I'm not quite so naieve to think that the place is immune to the political.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, you "support the troops" when it is politically convenient for you, and if it is  not, why you don't hesitate to accuse the men who actually wear the uniform of subordinating their duty to politics.</p>
<p>Disgusting, but hardly surprising. When you political needs require it, you are very quick to take an <strong>anti-military</strong> position...</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The US Army War College disagrees with you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Somehow, I doubt that were they to have dared to disagree with YOU, you&#039;d have been quite so quick to leap into an appeal to authority.
 
Personlly, I&#039;m not quite so naieve to think that the place is immune to the political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The US Army War College disagrees with you.</p></blockquote>
<p>Somehow, I doubt that were they to have dared to disagree with YOU, you'd have been quite so quick to leap into an appeal to authority.</p>
<p>Personlly, I'm not quite so naieve to think that the place is immune to the political.</p>
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		<title>By: PD Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is the effect of all this &#039;free&#039; labor on the market place? If the government &#039;volunteers&#039; are out fixing roads how does my paving company compete?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Interesting question.  My guess is that a road construction project involving a ton of unskilled labor would require the government to contract for paving companies to provide teaching and supervision.  See 1930s Germany for an example of how that works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is the effect of all this 'free' labor on the market place? If the government 'volunteers' are out fixing roads how does my paving company compete?</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting question.  My guess is that a road construction project involving a ton of unskilled labor would require the government to contract for paving companies to provide teaching and supervision.  See 1930s Germany for an example of how that works.</p>
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		<title>By: anjin-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>anjin-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And that would decidedly not have been the outcome had we stayed and finished the job.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Covered ground. The US Army War College disagrees with you. I will go with the opinion of experts who are actually willing to put their lives on the line in combat over a blowhard armchair warrior...  (that would be you)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And that would decidedly not have been the outcome had we stayed and finished the job.</p></blockquote>
<p>Covered ground. The US Army War College disagrees with you. I will go with the opinion of experts who are actually willing to put their lives on the line in combat over a blowhard armchair warrior...  (that would be you)</p>
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		<title>By: jimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the effect of all this &#039;free&#039; labor on the market place?  If the government &#039;volunteers&#039; are out fixing roads how does my paving company compete?  Sure its great to look down our noses at the current generation of slackers and think back with nostalgia at our own &#039;great sacrifices&#039; and how &#039;character building&#039; they would be for these kids and fail to think through the impact of the influx of millions of man-hours of free labor on any industry.  This is typical &#039;act now - think later&#039; legislation we get from our elected &#039;parents&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the effect of all this 'free' labor on the market place?  If the government 'volunteers' are out fixing roads how does my paving company compete?  Sure its great to look down our noses at the current generation of slackers and think back with nostalgia at our own 'great sacrifices' and how 'character building' they would be for these kids and fail to think through the impact of the influx of millions of man-hours of free labor on any industry.  This is typical 'act now - think later' legislation we get from our elected 'parents'.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC Loser;
   What irony once again, can you imagine coming all this way, only to face the prospect of the same struggle? It&#039;s like Deja-Vu all over again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC Loser;<br />
   What irony once again, can you imagine coming all this way, only to face the prospect of the same struggle? It's like Deja-Vu all over again!</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True.
I was thinking, though oif the literally millions who were not so lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.<br />
I was thinking, though oif the literally millions who were not so lucky.</p>
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