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	<title>Comments on: Is Pat Buchanan Anti-Semitic?</title>
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		<title>By: Kent G. Budge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent G. Budge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criticism of Israel is certainly legitimate, &lt;em&gt;as long as the same standards are applied as would be applied to any other country.&lt;/em&gt;  When a double standard is evident, that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;prima facie&lt;/em&gt; evidence of anti-Semitism.

By the same logic, anti-Zionism is legitimate &lt;em&gt;as long as you reject every other nationalist movement.&lt;/em&gt;  When you laud Palestinian nationalism and condemn Zionism, you are applying a double standard and, yes, this is &lt;em&gt;prima facie&lt;/em&gt; evidence that you are an anti-Semite.

I honestly haven&#039;t read enough of Buchanan&#039;s work to know if he is doing these things.  I don&#039;t have a strong enough stomach to venture beyond the idiocy he&#039;s written that I &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criticism of Israel is certainly legitimate, <em>as long as the same standards are applied as would be applied to any other country.</em>  When a double standard is evident, that's <em>prima facie</em> evidence of anti-Semitism.</p>
<p>By the same logic, anti-Zionism is legitimate <em>as long as you reject every other nationalist movement.</em>  When you laud Palestinian nationalism and condemn Zionism, you are applying a double standard and, yes, this is <em>prima facie</em> evidence that you are an anti-Semite.</p>
<p>I honestly haven't read enough of Buchanan's work to know if he is doing these things.  I don't have a strong enough stomach to venture beyond the idiocy he's written that I <em>have</em> read.</p>
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		<title>By: floyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>floyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t think pat is anti-semitic. but to pat i say; DUH!! they are niether americans nor christians. you should expect them to act like israelis and jews! [read the pentateuch]. besides how would you react when constantly faced with emminent anihilation, [unprovoked]. they cannot afford the luxury of self deprecating introspection like america can [for a while longer].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don't think pat is anti-semitic. but to pat i say; DUH!! they are niether americans nor christians. you should expect them to act like israelis and jews! [read the pentateuch]. besides how would you react when constantly faced with emminent anihilation, [unprovoked]. they cannot afford the luxury of self deprecating introspection like america can [for a while longer].</p>
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		<title>By: don surber</title>
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		<dc:creator>don surber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buchanan is so anti-Semitic he could be a liberal</description>
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		<title>By: djneylon</title>
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		<dc:creator>djneylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being anti-Israel or anti-Zionist is not, in and of itself, anti-Semitic.  Wishing the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel or of Jews in general is anti-Semitic.  Is Pat Buchanan anti-Semitic? Well, he certainly is anti-Israel and anti-Zionist.  He is also an isolationist.  I do remember the National Review issue.  I also remember thinking that the question was not answered conclusively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being anti-Israel or anti-Zionist is not, in and of itself, anti-Semitic.  Wishing the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel or of Jews in general is anti-Semitic.  Is Pat Buchanan anti-Semitic? Well, he certainly is anti-Israel and anti-Zionist.  He is also an isolationist.  I do remember the National Review issue.  I also remember thinking that the question was not answered conclusively.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Anderson - a technical point, but donâ??t most historians point to the Wannsee conference in Jan 42 as the official beginning of the â??Final Solution?â??&lt;/em&gt; 

Well, I&#039;ll step back a notch from saying Buchanan &quot;lied,&quot; as reputable historians debate the point.  But the extermination of Jews in the USSR was underway by July 1941.  So it depends on how you define &quot;Final Solution&quot;:  did it begin with the Soviet Jews and spread to the other occupied nations, or was it not really underway until Wannsee?

Myself, I suspect a certain &quot;Western bias&quot; here; the Eastern Front gets shorted in both world wars, for various reasons.  What happened in Russia, beginning with the executions of Jewish men and rapidly spreading to all Jews, sure looks like the Final Solution to me.  Doubtless it &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;looked the same way to its victims&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Anderson - a technical point, but donâ??t most historians point to the Wannsee conference in Jan 42 as the official beginning of the â??Final Solution?â??</em> </p>
<p>Well, I'll step back a notch from saying Buchanan "lied," as reputable historians debate the point.  But the extermination of Jews in the USSR was underway by July 1941.  So it depends on how you define "Final Solution":  did it begin with the Soviet Jews and spread to the other occupied nations, or was it not really underway until Wannsee?</p>
<p>Myself, I suspect a certain "Western bias" here; the Eastern Front gets shorted in both world wars, for various reasons.  What happened in Russia, beginning with the executions of Jewish men and rapidly spreading to all Jews, sure looks like the Final Solution to me.  Doubtless it <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar" rel="nofollow">looked the same way to its victims</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick Buchanan&#039;s article at  http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51116 is the work of a deranged, Jew-hating, Israel hating bigot.   It is precisely because Buchanan is reasonably logical on other matters that his virulent anti-semitism is so apparent.    

Patrick Buchanan can speak on any topic he wishes, but his credibility and authority are reduced to zero by the same words that keep flashing in front of his face: &quot;Anti-semite&quot;.  Just like Robert Novak, Patrick Buchanan has ruined his reputation by his bigoted and factually inaccurate venting of his anti-Jewish, anti-Israel spleen.

With reference to the article, he derides President &quot;Bush&#039;s folly in subcontracting US policy out to Tel Aviv ...&quot;.   He doesn&#039;t see Israel as the true ally they are, and furthermore he means Jerusalem, as deliberately takes the extremist Arab position of denying that Jerusalem is Israel&#039;s capital.  This is absurd, even for an anti-Israel, Tel Aviv is not the capital of Israel, nor are there any government ministries there.
 
Buchanan asks where the Christians are.  Allow me to enlighten him.  They are on their knees praying for Israel&#039;s speedy and decisive victory, and for Arab terrorism - and anti-semitism - to be vanquished once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Buchanan's article at  <a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51116" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51116</a> is the work of a deranged, Jew-hating, Israel hating bigot.   It is precisely because Buchanan is reasonably logical on other matters that his virulent anti-semitism is so apparent.    </p>
<p>Patrick Buchanan can speak on any topic he wishes, but his credibility and authority are reduced to zero by the same words that keep flashing in front of his face: "Anti-semite".  Just like Robert Novak, Patrick Buchanan has ruined his reputation by his bigoted and factually inaccurate venting of his anti-Jewish, anti-Israel spleen.</p>
<p>With reference to the article, he derides President "Bush's folly in subcontracting US policy out to Tel Aviv ...".   He doesn't see Israel as the true ally they are, and furthermore he means Jerusalem, as deliberately takes the extremist Arab position of denying that Jerusalem is Israel's capital.  This is absurd, even for an anti-Israel, Tel Aviv is not the capital of Israel, nor are there any government ministries there.</p>
<p>Buchanan asks where the Christians are.  Allow me to enlighten him.  They are on their knees praying for Israel's speedy and decisive victory, and for Arab terrorism - and anti-semitism - to be vanquished once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm... has anyone mentioned to PB that the Israelis are &lt;em&gt;neither &lt;/em&gt;American &lt;em&gt;nor &lt;/em&gt;Christian?

I&#039;m serious - he&#039;s complaining that Israel has a different culture, with different values?!? Of course they do - that&#039;s how you can tell they&#039;re &lt;em&gt;a different culture&lt;/em&gt;!

Not to mention - &quot;...imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them.&quot;
Did he not notice that that&#039;s exactly what Hezbollah &amp; Hamas have been doing to Israel? What we judge them on is &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; they do those things - to eliminate an entire race or to defend themselves.

I honestly don&#039;t know if Pat is an anti-semite... I don&#039;t pay enough attention to his writings. But I do know he&#039;s an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm... has anyone mentioned to PB that the Israelis are <em>neither </em>American <em>nor </em>Christian?</p>
<p>I'm serious - he's complaining that Israel has a different culture, with different values?!? Of course they do - that's how you can tell they're <em>a different culture</em>!</p>
<p>Not to mention - "...imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them."<br />
Did he not notice that that's exactly what Hezbollah &amp; Hamas have been doing to Israel? What we judge them on is <em>why</em> they do those things - to eliminate an entire race or to defend themselves.</p>
<p>I honestly don't know if Pat is an anti-semite... I don't pay enough attention to his writings. But I do know he's an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Shayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, from all I&#039;ve read about and from Buchanan, I&#039;d have to say that yes, he is anti-Semitic. However, his comments were less anti-Semitic and more inaccurate. Israel is not  imposing deliberate suffering on civilians. The fact is, as long as Hezbollah continues to store weapons and ammunition among the civilian population, that population will be targeted. It is a common tactic undertaken by a society that holds no value for it&#039;s people, but knows how much human life is important to it&#039;s enemy.

No other country in the world has shown more restrain and more concern for the lose of enemy life.

What do you suppose the world would say (Buchanan as well) if the roles were reversed? Do you think Hezbollah is just targeting the military? If so, why are they dropping bombs loaded with nails in civilian populations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, from all I've read about and from Buchanan, I'd have to say that yes, he is anti-Semitic. However, his comments were less anti-Semitic and more inaccurate. Israel is not  imposing deliberate suffering on civilians. The fact is, as long as Hezbollah continues to store weapons and ammunition among the civilian population, that population will be targeted. It is a common tactic undertaken by a society that holds no value for it's people, but knows how much human life is important to it's enemy.</p>
<p>No other country in the world has shown more restrain and more concern for the lose of enemy life.</p>
<p>What do you suppose the world would say (Buchanan as well) if the roles were reversed? Do you think Hezbollah is just targeting the military? If so, why are they dropping bombs loaded with nails in civilian populations?</p>
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		<title>By: MT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good info &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christiananswers.net/q-faith/fc-warperspectives.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  

This is not a simple topic Greg, but while revenge is un-Christian, justice isn&#039;t.  The killing of innocents in Lebanon is horrible, but the blame lies more appropriately with Hezbollah for initiating the conflict and then hiding behind civilians.  Israel has to defend itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good info <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/q-faith/fc-warperspectives.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  </p>
<p>This is not a simple topic Greg, but while revenge is un-Christian, justice isn't.  The killing of innocents in Lebanon is horrible, but the blame lies more appropriately with Hezbollah for initiating the conflict and then hiding behind civilians.  Israel has to defend itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your skewed calculations, anyone who dares to critisize Israel is anti-semitic.  Israelis are certainly free to critisize their government, just read Haaretz!  Why aren&#039;t we?
I salue the reps in Congress who had the moral courage to stand up to the Israel lobby and vote against American endorsement of the attack on the entire nation of Lebanon, not just Hezbollah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your skewed calculations, anyone who dares to critisize Israel is anti-semitic.  Israelis are certainly free to critisize their government, just read Haaretz!  Why aren't we?<br />
I salue the reps in Congress who had the moral courage to stand up to the Israel lobby and vote against American endorsement of the attack on the entire nation of Lebanon, not just Hezbollah.</p>
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		<title>By: madmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>madmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel is a state and thus not jewish or christian, so while he may be anti-semitic, criticizing the country of israel is not..their actions need to be measured the same way other countries are.  
It is unfair to give israel favorable treatment just because the population is largely jewish and moved into a global neighborhood that has hated jews for 2000 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is a state and thus not jewish or christian, so while he may be anti-semitic, criticizing the country of israel is not..their actions need to be measured the same way other countries are.<br />
It is unfair to give israel favorable treatment just because the population is largely jewish and moved into a global neighborhood that has hated jews for 2000 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey NTH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey NTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Buchanan is an out and out 1930&#039;s style isolationist.  He wants nothing to do with any Wilsonian foreign policy ventures.  I do not know if he is an abti-semite, but it is my experience that hard-right isolationists also tend to be anti-semitic.

I think it likely, but I don&#039;t know for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Buchanan is an out and out 1930's style isolationist.  He wants nothing to do with any Wilsonian foreign policy ventures.  I do not know if he is an abti-semite, but it is my experience that hard-right isolationists also tend to be anti-semitic.</p>
<p>I think it likely, but I don't know for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: MT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cox &amp; Forkum nailed this issue in their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000892.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest post&lt;/a&gt; when they said &quot;&lt;em&gt;Every single Lebanese victim should be laid at the feet of Hezbollah and any Lebanese who have supported Hezbollah&#039;s home in Lebanon&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cox &amp; Forkum nailed this issue in their <a href="http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000892.html" rel="nofollow">latest post</a> when they said "<em>Every single Lebanese victim should be laid at the feet of Hezbollah and any Lebanese who have supported Hezbollah's home in Lebanon</em>."</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Un-Christian&quot; to &quot;Anti-Semitic&quot; is a pretty big stretch, no matter how good your imagination is.

Buchanan suffers from what many American Christians suffer from, he sees the world through Christ-colored glasses.  He perceives of world events in the context of his personal understanding of God, and either doesn&#039;t realize or doesn&#039;t care that other people take different perspectives.

The bigger topic in the quoted article, however, isn&#039;t even being addressed.  Who is trying to convince the American people that Syria is involved, and why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Un-Christian" to "Anti-Semitic" is a pretty big stretch, no matter how good your imagination is.</p>
<p>Buchanan suffers from what many American Christians suffer from, he sees the world through Christ-colored glasses.  He perceives of world events in the context of his personal understanding of God, and either doesn't realize or doesn't care that other people take different perspectives.</p>
<p>The bigger topic in the quoted article, however, isn't even being addressed.  Who is trying to convince the American people that Syria is involved, and why?</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson - a technical point, but don&#039;t most historians point to the Wannsee conference in Jan 42 as the official beginning of the &quot;Final Solution?&quot;  From Wikipedia:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Wannsee Conference (January 20, 1942, during World War II) was a high level ministerial meeting of Nazi German civilian government and SS officials convened by Reinhard Heydrich, to bring together the leaders of the German organizations whose cooperation was necessary to carry out the Nazi plan for the extermination of the entire Jewish population of Europe and to make it clear to these other German ministers that this &quot;Final Solution of the Jewish Question&quot; was a strategic imperative of the Third Reich.

The conference was held in the Wannsee Villa overlooking the Wannsee lake in southwestern Berlin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

  I&#039;m not sure either way if Buchanan is an anti-semite or not.  I just happen to be in agreement with him regarding Israeli influence on US Mid-East policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson - a technical point, but don't most historians point to the Wannsee conference in Jan 42 as the official beginning of the "Final Solution?"  From Wikipedia:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Wannsee Conference (January 20, 1942, during World War II) was a high level ministerial meeting of Nazi German civilian government and SS officials convened by Reinhard Heydrich, to bring together the leaders of the German organizations whose cooperation was necessary to carry out the Nazi plan for the extermination of the entire Jewish population of Europe and to make it clear to these other German ministers that this "Final Solution of the Jewish Question" was a strategic imperative of the Third Reich.</p>
<p>The conference was held in the Wannsee Villa overlooking the Wannsee lake in southwestern Berlin.</p></blockquote>
<p>  I'm not sure either way if Buchanan is an anti-semite or not.  I just happen to be in agreement with him regarding Israeli influence on US Mid-East policy.</p>
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