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		<title>By: Jay Mulberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Mulberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, good work as always, but I hope time being on their side does not further encourage an attack on Iran.

For as long as I can remember there has been very serious talk about Israeli or/and American plans to bomb Iran&#039;s nuclear facilities.
 
Way back in 2003 or 2004, I asked a friend in the military policy world if the Israelis could do it. He answered, in a detailed and convincing way, that Israel had no planes capable of going to Iran an back without refueling.  He was right at the time, but a month or so later I read of new, long-range aircraft being supplied to Israel by the U.S. 

Then, in 2006, there was Seymour Hersh&#039;s article in the New Yorker, *The Iran Plans* 
(http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact?printable=true)

In 2007, Harry Reid was worried enough to say: 

&quot;Much has been made about President Bush&#039;s recent saber rattling toward Iran.  This morning, I&#039;d like to be clear: The president does not have the 
authority to launch military action in Iran without first seeking Congressional authorization—a the current use of force resolution for Iraq 
does not give him such authorization.&quot; 
(http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/01/reid_to_challen.html) 

In September, 2007, came Israel&#039;s mysterious bombing of a &quot;nuclear facility&quot; in Syria, and about the same time an ex-CIA officer said, &quot;I came back from a trip to Israel in November convinced that Israel would attack Iran.&quot;   The bombing is now thought to have been a &quot;message to Tehran.&quot;

Then came the U.S. National Intelligence Report that Iran didn&#039;t have an active nuclear weapons program.  It didn&#039;t slow things down, but put the Israelis in the front row for an attack and changed the American emphasis from the nuclear threat to Iranian aid to Iraqi insurgents. 

Next, Gen. Fallon was removed as Head of Central Command because he wanted to negotiate with Iran rather than bomb it.  Now Gen. Petraeus&#039; nomination is up and he is malleable on the subject. (see http://jaymulberry.com/just-one-senator)

A few weeks ago the IAEA report suggested there could very well be a nuclear weapons program in Iran despite the American findings and this put the US right up front again. 

And don&#039;t forget Hillary Clinton&#039;s threat to incinerate Iran.  (AIPAC got its money&#039;s worth on that one.)

A couple of weeks ago there was the Jerusalem Post&#039;s declaration that &quot;Bush intends to attack Iran before the end of his term.&quot; 

This week Olmert says: 

&quot;The international community has a duty and responsibility to clarify to 
Iran, through drastic measures, that the repercussions of their continued 
pursuit of nuclear weapons will be devastating.&quot; 

And yesterday Bush was being belligerent about it in Europe.

Will Bush &quot;attack Iraq before the end of his term&quot;?  Remember that in 2003 Iraq was supposed to be a stepping stone into Iran and Syria.  According to that scenario we &quot;should&quot; have conquered Iran soon after our soldiers got their flowers and smiles from liberated Iraqis.  

So this is it; now or never. Time is on their side. Caution says &quot;not now, hopefully never&quot; but look who&#039;s the decider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, good work as always, but I hope time being on their side does not further encourage an attack on Iran.</p>
<p>For as long as I can remember there has been very serious talk about Israeli or/and American plans to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities.</p>
<p>Way back in 2003 or 2004, I asked a friend in the military policy world if the Israelis could do it. He answered, in a detailed and convincing way, that Israel had no planes capable of going to Iran an back without refueling.  He was right at the time, but a month or so later I read of new, long-range aircraft being supplied to Israel by the U.S. </p>
<p>Then, in 2006, there was Seymour Hersh's article in the New Yorker, *The Iran Plans*<br />
(<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact?printable=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact?printable=true</a>)</p>
<p>In 2007, Harry Reid was worried enough to say: </p>
<p>"Much has been made about President Bush's recent saber rattling toward Iran.  This morning, I'd like to be clear: The president does not have the<br />
authority to launch military action in Iran without first seeking Congressional authorization—a the current use of force resolution for Iraq<br />
does not give him such authorization."<br />
(<a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/01/reid_to_challen.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/01/reid_to_challen.html</a>) </p>
<p>In September, 2007, came Israel's mysterious bombing of a "nuclear facility" in Syria, and about the same time an ex-CIA officer said, "I came back from a trip to Israel in November convinced that Israel would attack Iran."   The bombing is now thought to have been a "message to Tehran."</p>
<p>Then came the U.S. National Intelligence Report that Iran didn't have an active nuclear weapons program.  It didn't slow things down, but put the Israelis in the front row for an attack and changed the American emphasis from the nuclear threat to Iranian aid to Iraqi insurgents. </p>
<p>Next, Gen. Fallon was removed as Head of Central Command because he wanted to negotiate with Iran rather than bomb it.  Now Gen. Petraeus' nomination is up and he is malleable on the subject. (see <a href="http://jaymulberry.com/just-one-senator)" rel="nofollow">http://jaymulberry.com/just-one-senator)</a></p>
<p>A few weeks ago the IAEA report suggested there could very well be a nuclear weapons program in Iran despite the American findings and this put the US right up front again. </p>
<p>And don't forget Hillary Clinton's threat to incinerate Iran.  (AIPAC got its money's worth on that one.)</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago there was the Jerusalem Post's declaration that "Bush intends to attack Iran before the end of his term." </p>
<p>This week Olmert says: </p>
<p>"The international community has a duty and responsibility to clarify to<br />
Iran, through drastic measures, that the repercussions of their continued<br />
pursuit of nuclear weapons will be devastating." </p>
<p>And yesterday Bush was being belligerent about it in Europe.</p>
<p>Will Bush "attack Iraq before the end of his term"?  Remember that in 2003 Iraq was supposed to be a stepping stone into Iran and Syria.  According to that scenario we "should" have conquered Iran soon after our soldiers got their flowers and smiles from liberated Iraqis.  </p>
<p>So this is it; now or never. Time is on their side. Caution says "not now, hopefully never" but look who's the decider.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used the same source you did, Outis.  I eyeballed it and apparently I miscalculated.  Thank you.

The point I was making remains valid:  most Iranians were born post-revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the same source you did, Outis.  I eyeballed it and apparently I miscalculated.  Thank you.</p>
<p>The point I was making remains valid:  most Iranians were born post-revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Outis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Two thirds of the country’s population is below the age of 25.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This appears to be incorrect. The &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html#People&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CIA’s World Factbook&lt;/a&gt; gives the median age as 26.4 years old in 2006. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://unstats.un.org/unsd/cdb/cdb_years_on_top.asp?srID=13680&amp;Ct1ID=&amp;crID=364&amp;yrID=2005%2C2010&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;United Nations Statistics Division shows&lt;/a&gt; that approximately 53.7% of the population was below age 25 in 2005. UN Estimates for 2010 vary from ~47% to ~48% of the Iranian population being under age 25 at that time.

Just for the sake of comparison, the July 2008 CIA estimate for the USA’s median age is 36.7 years old, and according to the UN Statistics Division ~33.9% of the USA’s population was under age 25 in 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Two thirds of the country&rsquo;s population is below the age of 25.</p></blockquote>
<p>This appears to be incorrect. The <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html#People" rel="nofollow">CIA&rsquo;s World Factbook</a> gives the median age as 26.4 years old in 2006. The <a href="http://unstats.un.org/unsd/cdb/cdb_years_on_top.asp?srID=13680&amp;Ct1ID=&amp;crID=364&amp;yrID=2005%2C2010" rel="nofollow">United Nations Statistics Division shows</a> that approximately 53.7% of the population was below age 25 in 2005. UN Estimates for 2010 vary from ~47% to ~48% of the Iranian population being under age 25 at that time.</p>
<p>Just for the sake of comparison, the July 2008 CIA estimate for the USA&rsquo;s median age is 36.7 years old, and according to the UN Statistics Division ~33.9% of the USA&rsquo;s population was under age 25 in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<dc:creator>legion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iran’s economy is struggling. It is overly dependent on oil and the Iranians aren’t investing in the improvements to their production necessary to maximize yields...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think this, and the related point after it, are the real keys to the potential Iranian threat. Oil is getting expensive enough that we will soon reach a breaking point, and changes will have to be made forcibly. The question is all about timing - will the US economy be able to limp along until the other major buyers driving up oil demand right now (China, India, etc) feel the pain too, or will our economic collapse give them a few more years to binge before the &#039;big purge&#039;?

I mean, it&#039;s not like we can (as some neocons have proposed) just &#039;go over there and &lt;em&gt;make &lt;/em&gt;them pump more oil&#039;, since that would disrupt supplies to those other oil-demanding countries. And China &lt;em&gt;would &lt;/em&gt;respond in a hostile manner to such acts.

It&#039;s a game of economic chicken. And the oil companies are driving rentals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iran&rsquo;s economy is struggling. It is overly dependent on oil and the Iranians aren&rsquo;t investing in the improvements to their production necessary to maximize yields...</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this, and the related point after it, are the real keys to the potential Iranian threat. Oil is getting expensive enough that we will soon reach a breaking point, and changes will have to be made forcibly. The question is all about timing - will the US economy be able to limp along until the other major buyers driving up oil demand right now (China, India, etc) feel the pain too, or will our economic collapse give them a few more years to binge before the 'big purge'?</p>
<p>I mean, it's not like we can (as some neocons have proposed) just 'go over there and <em>make </em>them pump more oil', since that would disrupt supplies to those other oil-demanding countries. And China <em>would </em>respond in a hostile manner to such acts.</p>
<p>It's a game of economic chicken. And the oil companies are driving rentals.</p>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe that time is on our side.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly--We just need to wait until 1 Feb. 2009 when President McCain starts bombing those mullah bastards back to the stone age.

It will take about a week to deploy a few batallions in Herat, Farah, and Nimruz on the east flank and Basrah, Dialya and Wasit on the west.

A week later, the two flanks will meet in Theran to flower-bearing Iranians and the joyous smiles of little children.  As we take down the statue of the Ayatollah Khomeni that sits in the central square of Sadeghiyeh, American troops will spread good will and freedom to the newly emancipated Iranians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe that time is on our side.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly--We just need to wait until 1 Feb. 2009 when President McCain starts bombing those mullah bastards back to the stone age.</p>
<p>It will take about a week to deploy a few batallions in Herat, Farah, and Nimruz on the east flank and Basrah, Dialya and Wasit on the west.</p>
<p>A week later, the two flanks will meet in Theran to flower-bearing Iranians and the joyous smiles of little children.  As we take down the statue of the Ayatollah Khomeni that sits in the central square of Sadeghiyeh, American troops will spread good will and freedom to the newly emancipated Iranians.</p>
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