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		<title>By: The Mad Pigeon</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/israel_and_hezbollah_both_declare_victory/comment-page-1/#comment-94445</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mad Pigeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the ceasefire only treats the symptoms and not the underlying illness.  This is a zero-sum game--until one side achieves a hard goal truces and resolutions are nothing more than bandaids over a sucking chest wound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention the ceasefire only treats the symptoms and not the underlying illness.  This is a zero-sum game--until one side achieves a hard goal truces and resolutions are nothing more than bandaids over a sucking chest wound.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related note: &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oldwardogs.us/2006/08/israeli_f15s_do.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Israeli F-15s downed over Lebanon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related note: <strong><a href="http://www.oldwardogs.us/2006/08/israeli_f15s_do.html" rel="nofollow">Israeli F-15s downed over Lebanon</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Anderson: I submitted a piece for publication a couple hours ago making that point in a more detailed way.&lt;/em&gt;

Great minds, etc.

The administration could defend itself by saying that &quot;Israel won!&quot; is propaganda necessary to avoid encouraging our enemies.  I just don&#039;t think that a democracy can afford to put that high an emphasis on propaganda; my hypothesis is that we ultimately make a stronger impression on our enemies by our realistically dealing with challenges and problems.  

Recall Asquith&#039;s wry joke about the Imperial General Staff in WW1:  they kept 3 sets of casualty figures, one to deceive the public, one to deceive Parliament, and one to deceive themselves.  Sounds familiar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Anderson: I submitted a piece for publication a couple hours ago making that point in a more detailed way.</em></p>
<p>Great minds, etc.</p>
<p>The administration could defend itself by saying that "Israel won!" is propaganda necessary to avoid encouraging our enemies.  I just don't think that a democracy can afford to put that high an emphasis on propaganda; my hypothesis is that we ultimately make a stronger impression on our enemies by our realistically dealing with challenges and problems.  </p>
<p>Recall Asquith's wry joke about the Imperial General Staff in WW1:  they kept 3 sets of casualty figures, one to deceive the public, one to deceive Parliament, and one to deceive themselves.  Sounds familiar.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson:  I submitted a piece for publication a couple hours ago making that point in a more detailed way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson:  I submitted a piece for publication a couple hours ago making that point in a more detailed way.</p>
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		<title>By: Old War Dogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old War Dogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;It&#039;s a long way from over...&lt;/strong&gt;

Israel and Hezbollah Both Declare VictoryJames Joyner An AP report on Israel begining its troop pullout from Lebanon includes this passage several paragraphs in:On Monday, both Israel and its main backer, the United States, portrayed Hezbollah as the l...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>It's a long way from over...</strong></p>
<p>Israel and Hezbollah Both Declare VictoryJames Joyner An AP report on Israel begining its troop pullout from Lebanon includes this passage several paragraphs in:On Monday, both Israel and its main backer, the United States, portrayed Hezbollah as the l...</p>
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		<title>By: The Heretik &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Winners and Losers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heretik &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Winners and Losers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The verdict is clear. Olmert as viewed in Israel? Loser: &#8220;The Olmert government has failed on every level. The Olmert government must go.&#8221; Olmert? Winner. Question: Nobody &#8220;loses&#8221; (or everyone does)? Just declare victory and march on. Is this a pivotal moment? Where are we headed? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The verdict is clear. Olmert as viewed in Israel? Loser: &#8220;The Olmert government has failed on every level. The Olmert government must go.&#8221; Olmert? Winner. Question: Nobody &#8220;loses&#8221; (or everyone does)? Just declare victory and march on. Is this a pivotal moment? Where are we headed? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not directly on point, but (1) tied to Bush&#039;s absurd &quot;Israel won!&quot; statement and (2) too good to miss:

George Will finds the administration &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081401163.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eager to repel all but the delusional&lt;/a&gt;&quot;:&lt;blockquote&gt;Cooperation between Pakistani and British law enforcement (the British draw upon useful experience combating IRA terrorism) has &lt;strong&gt;validated John Kerry&#039;s belief &lt;/strong&gt;(as paraphrased by the New York Times Magazine of Oct. 10, 2004) that &quot;&lt;strong&gt;many of the interdiction tactics that cripple drug lords, including governments working jointly to share intelligence, patrol borders and force banks to identify suspicious customers, can also be some of the most useful tools in the war on terror&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot; In a candidates&#039; debate in South Carolina (Jan. 29, 2004), Kerry said that although the war on terror will be &quot;occasionally military,&quot; it is &quot;&lt;strong&gt;primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation &lt;/strong&gt;that requires cooperation around the world.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;(How bad did it hurt Will to write those words?)&lt;blockquote&gt;Immediately after the London plot was disrupted, a &quot;senior administration official,&quot; insisting on anonymity for his or her splenetic words, &lt;strong&gt;denied the obvious, that Kerry had a point&lt;/strong&gt;. The official told The Weekly Standard:

&quot;The idea that the jihadists would all be peaceful, warm, lovable, God-fearing people if it weren&#039;t for U.S. policies strikes me as not a valid idea. [Democrats] do not have the understanding or the commitment to take on these forces. It&#039;s like John Kerry. &lt;strong&gt;The law enforcement approach doesn&#039;t work&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;This farrago of caricature and non sequitur makes the administration seem eager to repel all but the delusional&lt;/strong&gt;. But perhaps such rhetoric reflects the intellectual contortions &lt;strong&gt;required to sustain the illusion&lt;/strong&gt; that the war in Iraq is central to the war on terrorism, and that the war, unlike &quot;the law enforcement approach,&quot; does &quot;work.&quot;

The official is correct that it is wrong &quot;to think that somehow we are responsible -- that the actions of the jihadists are justified by U.S. policies.&quot; &lt;strong&gt;But few outside the fog of paranoia that is the blogosphere think like that&lt;/strong&gt;. It is more dismaying that someone at the center of government considers it clever to talk like that. It is the language of foreign policy -- and domestic politics -- &lt;strong&gt;unrealism&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&quot;Realism&quot;--it&#039;s the new idealism!

JJ&#039;s take on the Israel-Hezbollah debacle is simply realist:  Israel set out to accomplish X, failed to do so, and probably hurt both its own and the U.S.&#039;s goals.  An administration that can&#039;t see that, and that has to shred its own credibility rather than concede that any political opponent ever had a good point, is out of touch with reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not directly on point, but (1) tied to Bush's absurd "Israel won!" statement and (2) too good to miss:</p>
<p>George Will finds the administration "<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081401163.html" rel="nofollow">eager to repel all but the delusional</a>":<br />
<blockquote>Cooperation between Pakistani and British law enforcement (the British draw upon useful experience combating IRA terrorism) has <strong>validated John Kerry's belief </strong>(as paraphrased by the New York Times Magazine of Oct. 10, 2004) that "<strong>many of the interdiction tactics that cripple drug lords, including governments working jointly to share intelligence, patrol borders and force banks to identify suspicious customers, can also be some of the most useful tools in the war on terror</strong>." In a candidates' debate in South Carolina (Jan. 29, 2004), Kerry said that although the war on terror will be "occasionally military," it is "<strong>primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation </strong>that requires cooperation around the world."</p></blockquote>
<p>(How bad did it hurt Will to write those words?)<br />
<blockquote>Immediately after the London plot was disrupted, a "senior administration official," insisting on anonymity for his or her splenetic words, <strong>denied the obvious, that Kerry had a point</strong>. The official told The Weekly Standard:</p>
<p>"The idea that the jihadists would all be peaceful, warm, lovable, God-fearing people if it weren't for U.S. policies strikes me as not a valid idea. [Democrats] do not have the understanding or the commitment to take on these forces. It's like John Kerry. <strong>The law enforcement approach doesn't work</strong>."</p>
<p><strong>This farrago of caricature and non sequitur makes the administration seem eager to repel all but the delusional</strong>. But perhaps such rhetoric reflects the intellectual contortions <strong>required to sustain the illusion</strong> that the war in Iraq is central to the war on terrorism, and that the war, unlike "the law enforcement approach," does "work."</p>
<p>The official is correct that it is wrong "to think that somehow we are responsible -- that the actions of the jihadists are justified by U.S. policies." <strong>But few outside the fog of paranoia that is the blogosphere think like that</strong>. It is more dismaying that someone at the center of government considers it clever to talk like that. It is the language of foreign policy -- and domestic politics -- <strong>unrealism</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>"Realism"--it's the new idealism!</p>
<p>JJ's take on the Israel-Hezbollah debacle is simply realist:  Israel set out to accomplish X, failed to do so, and probably hurt both its own and the U.S.'s goals.  An administration that can't see that, and that has to shred its own credibility rather than concede that any political opponent ever had a good point, is out of touch with reality.</p>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meant to say they recognized Hezbollah as an equal.</description>
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		<title>By: DC Loser</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, 1701 basically said Israel and the international community &quot;recognized&quot; as a legitimate party, an equal so to speak, to the ceasefire.  The  government of Lebanon was basically pushed to the side in the agreement to provide a figleaf of legitimacy.  Hezbollah definitely came out stronger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, 1701 basically said Israel and the international community "recognized" as a legitimate party, an equal so to speak, to the ceasefire.  The  government of Lebanon was basically pushed to the side in the agreement to provide a figleaf of legitimacy.  Hezbollah definitely came out stronger.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Outpost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conservative Outpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Daily Update...&lt;/strong&gt;

NEWS: - Israel begins troop pullout as cease-fire holds - Bush blames Hezbollah for Lebanon fighting - Bush saves cross by eminent domain - Ohio Prisons Welcoming Faith-Based Outreach - Tide Turning in Battle to Save Mt. Soledad Cross OPINION:......</description>
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<p>NEWS: - Israel begins troop pullout as cease-fire holds - Bush blames Hezbollah for Lebanon fighting - Bush saves cross by eminent domain - Ohio Prisons Welcoming Faith-Based Outreach - Tide Turning in Battle to Save Mt. Soledad Cross OPINION:......</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike the previous two commenters I think that, for this particular conflict, a negotiated settlement of some kind was by far the best outcome that could have been expected.  I&#039;m concerned that UNSC1701 was as toothless as it was; as I noted &lt;a href=&quot;http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=2253&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in my post yesterday&lt;/a&gt; I think it gave Hezbollah more legitimacy than was required and that&#039;s having an impact already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike the previous two commenters I think that, for this particular conflict, a negotiated settlement of some kind was by far the best outcome that could have been expected.  I'm concerned that UNSC1701 was as toothless as it was; as I noted <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=2253" rel="nofollow">in my post yesterday</a> I think it gave Hezbollah more legitimacy than was required and that's having an impact already.</p>
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		<title>By: charles austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the perception is that Hizbollah won.  Great. That guarantees the next battle wil be an order of magnitude greater.  The only question now is when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the perception is that Hizbollah won.  Great. That guarantees the next battle wil be an order of magnitude greater.  The only question now is when.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hezbollah hit Israel&#039;s fists with their face until they won.</description>
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		<title>By: Tempus Fugit Blog [ Tempus Fugit &#124; TxFx.net ]</title>
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