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		<title>By: Jared Hedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Hedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and Gentlemen,
I would just like to start out by saying I am a United States Marine, and I am very interested to hear and read what non Marines thought of the Movie. 
 
I read Anthony Swoffords book after I returned from Iraq and many times I found myself either having flashbacks or thinking &quot;man this kid is a S**tbird&quot;.  S**tbird being a term we use to describe a Marine that is a slacker. 

The movie does an excellent job of portraying what it is like being a young Marine growing up in the Corps and with dealing with the wait and then experience of war.

 With each character in the movie I found that I have either experienced something like what they were going through in the Corps or had met someone just like them.  I find some of the comments posted hear very interesting, mainly because I honestly feel that to really appreciate this movie you have to be an enlisted Marine from a combat arms unit. For example when Swoffard stands in the mortar fire and says in the narration &quot;my combat action had commenced&quot; only a Marine will truly understand the deep meaning of this.  Your first chance at Combat whether you hate the Marines or love it, is what you live for as a Marine. 

There were parts in this movie that literally gave me chills, especially toward the end when SSgt. Sieks, now 1st Sgt. Sieks is back in Iraq.

  My brother (also a Marine) said it best, &quot;...from now on when ever someone asks me what it&#039;s like to be a Marine, I&#039;ll just tell them to watch Jarhead.&quot;  I have to agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and Gentlemen,<br />
I would just like to start out by saying I am a United States Marine, and I am very interested to hear and read what non Marines thought of the Movie. </p>
<p>I read Anthony Swoffords book after I returned from Iraq and many times I found myself either having flashbacks or thinking "man this kid is a S**tbird".  S**tbird being a term we use to describe a Marine that is a slacker. </p>
<p>The movie does an excellent job of portraying what it is like being a young Marine growing up in the Corps and with dealing with the wait and then experience of war.</p>
<p> With each character in the movie I found that I have either experienced something like what they were going through in the Corps or had met someone just like them.  I find some of the comments posted hear very interesting, mainly because I honestly feel that to really appreciate this movie you have to be an enlisted Marine from a combat arms unit. For example when Swoffard stands in the mortar fire and says in the narration "my combat action had commenced" only a Marine will truly understand the deep meaning of this.  Your first chance at Combat whether you hate the Marines or love it, is what you live for as a Marine. </p>
<p>There were parts in this movie that literally gave me chills, especially toward the end when SSgt. Sieks, now 1st Sgt. Sieks is back in Iraq.</p>
<p>  My brother (also a Marine) said it best, "...from now on when ever someone asks me what it's like to be a Marine, I'll just tell them to watch Jarhead."  I have to agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Nyberg</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jarhead_suffers_typical_military_movie_flaws/comment-page-1/#comment-64274</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Nyberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were soldiers was an excellent movie, and having also read the book, I can say that for once they followed it extremely closely.  This is a very good thing, because the primary character, LTC Moore, was the writer of the book.  Both the book and the movie were written based on his memories of the events.  It is important to remember that this book/movie was written from the perspective of leadership, rather than the common soldier.

Another excellent, quite possibly the best, war movie is Blackhawk Down.  This movie gives the best view of what todays military really is.  These are young men.  Today&#039;s elite forces are not composed of 45 year old men.  They are built upon the backs of young soldiers.  The average soldier in a leadership position will be in his early to mid-twenties.  These are not &#039;boys&#039; however.  This movies shows just how professional these young soldiers are.

Pretty much every other military-based movie made in the last 50 years has been focused on soldiers misconduct, leadership failures, corruption, scandals, or plain insanity.  We Were Soldiers and Blackhawk Down are the only two movies I can name off the top of my head that truly honor the military in all aspects.  They do our country proud.


An interesting article about this can be found at www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/2005/may</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were soldiers was an excellent movie, and having also read the book, I can say that for once they followed it extremely closely.  This is a very good thing, because the primary character, LTC Moore, was the writer of the book.  Both the book and the movie were written based on his memories of the events.  It is important to remember that this book/movie was written from the perspective of leadership, rather than the common soldier.</p>
<p>Another excellent, quite possibly the best, war movie is Blackhawk Down.  This movie gives the best view of what todays military really is.  These are young men.  Today's elite forces are not composed of 45 year old men.  They are built upon the backs of young soldiers.  The average soldier in a leadership position will be in his early to mid-twenties.  These are not 'boys' however.  This movies shows just how professional these young soldiers are.</p>
<p>Pretty much every other military-based movie made in the last 50 years has been focused on soldiers misconduct, leadership failures, corruption, scandals, or plain insanity.  We Were Soldiers and Blackhawk Down are the only two movies I can name off the top of my head that truly honor the military in all aspects.  They do our country proud.</p>
<p>An interesting article about this can be found at <a href="http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/2005/may" rel="nofollow">http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/2005/may</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dork:  Yes. It&#039;s illegal to &quot;impersonate an officer&quot; in the sense of actually presenting yourself as a military officer for fraudulent purposes.  It&#039;s not illegal to play one on TV or the movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dork:  Yes. It's illegal to "impersonate an officer" in the sense of actually presenting yourself as a military officer for fraudulent purposes.  It's not illegal to play one on TV or the movies.</p>
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		<title>By: dorkafork</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorkafork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 04:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jarhead&quot; was written by a Gulf War Marine vet.  The first page starts a description of how he would steal MREs and other gear and sell them at Army surplus stores.  To give you an idea of the trustworthiness of the author.

I think the idea that it&#039;s illegal to have perfectly correct uniforms in movies is an urban legend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Jarhead" was written by a Gulf War Marine vet.  The first page starts a description of how he would steal MREs and other gear and sell them at Army surplus stores.  To give you an idea of the trustworthiness of the author.</p>
<p>I think the idea that it's illegal to have perfectly correct uniforms in movies is an urban legend.</p>
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		<title>By: MSGT Nellis USMC(RET)</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSGT Nellis USMC(RET)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Bergee says it best,If you haven&#039;t been there you can&#039;t potray it correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Bergee says it best,If you haven't been there you can't potray it correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: James kadas</title>
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		<dc:creator>James kadas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 01:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hollywood. That should be all you have to know. If they told it the way it was, the movie would die on day one. As a Vietnam vet who has seen his share of the war movies, you have to see the movie for entertainment ONLY, or don&#039;t go at all. Yes, I confess, I look for errors when it&#039;s a Marine Corps movie, But, at the same time, I over look them, too. Yes, I notice that her hair was touching her collar, when in uniform. But, then that&#039;s the JARHEAD in me. Semper Fi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's hollywood. That should be all you have to know. If they told it the way it was, the movie would die on day one. As a Vietnam vet who has seen his share of the war movies, you have to see the movie for entertainment ONLY, or don't go at all. Yes, I confess, I look for errors when it's a Marine Corps movie, But, at the same time, I over look them, too. Yes, I notice that her hair was touching her collar, when in uniform. But, then that's the JARHEAD in me. Semper Fi</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Bergee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Bergee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 01:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 81 years old, USMC combat veteran of several wars, holder of more than one Purple heart...and I have yet to see a Hollywood movie about combat that is like the real thing. One factor mostly missed is the actors are not dirty enough.I fully recognize the fact no one who has not been there will ever understand what combat is REALLY like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 81 years old, USMC combat veteran of several wars, holder of more than one Purple heart...and I have yet to see a Hollywood movie about combat that is like the real thing. One factor mostly missed is the actors are not dirty enough.I fully recognize the fact no one who has not been there will ever understand what combat is REALLY like.</p>
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		<title>By: Say Anything</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say Anything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Review: Jarhead&lt;/strong&gt;

	Jess and I went to Jarhead tonight.  We both enjoyed it a lot, though Jess was sort of sick and was out of it during the last part of the film.
	The movie is based on the book of the same title written by author (and main character in the story) Antho...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Review: Jarhead</strong></p>
<p>	Jess and I went to Jarhead tonight.  We both enjoyed it a lot, though Jess was sort of sick and was out of it during the last part of the film.<br />
	The movie is based on the book of the same title written by author (and main character in the story) Antho...</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt Fluffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sgt Fluffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Stricklan said:

&quot;I was a sailor floating around in the middle of the Arabian Gulf at the time, and the only celebration I experienced was a steel beach picnic after weâd be relieved and had chopped out of the area&quot;

The only thing close to the movie I say when we had our SBP was a civilian contractor hurling into the wind on the flight deck after he had too many beers (I traded both of mine to him for $50 apiece...I love alchaholics)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Stricklan said:</p>
<p>"I was a sailor floating around in the middle of the Arabian Gulf at the time, and the only celebration I experienced was a steel beach picnic after weâd be relieved and had chopped out of the area"</p>
<p>The only thing close to the movie I say when we had our SBP was a civilian contractor hurling into the wind on the flight deck after he had too many beers (I traded both of mine to him for $50 apiece...I love alchaholics)</p>
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		<title>By: catdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>catdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Navy vet, I can say that Top Gun and Officer and a Gentleman were not bad movies, even though most of the characters would have gotten courtmartialed or discharged in the real Navy...for a decent portrayal of sailors, I don&#039;t know about wartime (sorry, didn&#039;t see combat) but the Last Detail and a movie whose title escapes me, but is about a Navy man in Seattle who hooks up with a female pool hustler are both fairly accurate protrayals of Navy life... Men of Honor is outstanding as well and, please can we ban future broadcasting of a Few Good Men (great acting and writing, non-existent reality) and Navy SEALS (a joke)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Navy vet, I can say that Top Gun and Officer and a Gentleman were not bad movies, even though most of the characters would have gotten courtmartialed or discharged in the real Navy...for a decent portrayal of sailors, I don't know about wartime (sorry, didn't see combat) but the Last Detail and a movie whose title escapes me, but is about a Navy man in Seattle who hooks up with a female pool hustler are both fairly accurate protrayals of Navy life... Men of Honor is outstanding as well and, please can we ban future broadcasting of a Few Good Men (great acting and writing, non-existent reality) and Navy SEALS (a joke)?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked &quot;We Were Soldiers&quot; too.  The only movie I have seen that looks at what is may be like for a wife whose husband was off at war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked "We Were Soldiers" too.  The only movie I have seen that looks at what is may be like for a wife whose husband was off at war.</p>
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		<title>By: RPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time reader, first time poster.

I can help out a little bit with the uniforms. The reason that they aren&#039;t accurate is that it&#039;s against the law to have an exact replica of the uniform.

Regarding the entertainment industry, I recall a story about the costume designer for a film that starred Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel L. Jackson (sorry, I don&#039;t remember the name of the film). It was a courtroom drama, with military incident flashbacks. The costume designer had given everyone in the film who was Jackson&#039;s unit the Purple Heart ribbon. It was not done, as James Webb, the advisor on the film, said it was unrealistic to have an entire unit get wounded for the action they took part in. The designer said that he liked the color of the ribbon, and decided it would look good against the Marines&#039; uniforms. FWIW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time reader, first time poster.</p>
<p>I can help out a little bit with the uniforms. The reason that they aren't accurate is that it's against the law to have an exact replica of the uniform.</p>
<p>Regarding the entertainment industry, I recall a story about the costume designer for a film that starred Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel L. Jackson (sorry, I don't remember the name of the film). It was a courtroom drama, with military incident flashbacks. The costume designer had given everyone in the film who was Jackson's unit the Purple Heart ribbon. It was not done, as James Webb, the advisor on the film, said it was unrealistic to have an entire unit get wounded for the action they took part in. The designer said that he liked the color of the ribbon, and decided it would look good against the Marines' uniforms. FWIW.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles W. Stricklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles W. Stricklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like &quot;We Were Soldiers&quot; because it show events in both the States and Vietnam. It&#039;s a bit misleading, I think, because you get the impression the battle was over in 2 days, and I doubt seriously it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like "We Were Soldiers" because it show events in both the States and Vietnam. It's a bit misleading, I think, because you get the impression the battle was over in 2 days, and I doubt seriously it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes bad military movies are the left&#039;s bias creeping in, other times I think it is just laziness, and a belief that the audience won&#039;t know the difference or care.

I was never in the military, but I my husband was in the Navy for the first 5 years of our marriage.

One thing that bother&#039;s him to no end is how much the officer&#039;s &quot;sir&quot; each other in movies and similar little things.  Oh, and he almost always notices when they screw the uniforms up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes bad military movies are the left's bias creeping in, other times I think it is just laziness, and a belief that the audience won't know the difference or care.</p>
<p>I was never in the military, but I my husband was in the Navy for the first 5 years of our marriage.</p>
<p>One thing that bother's him to no end is how much the officer's "sir" each other in movies and similar little things.  Oh, and he almost always notices when they screw the uniforms up.</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rodney:  I haven&#039;t seen &quot;We Were Soldiers&quot; yet.  It&#039;s in my Netflix queue, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodney:  I haven't seen "We Were Soldiers" yet.  It's in my Netflix queue, though.</p>
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