The removal of conrtol-by-force is returnng things to their natural state.

There's no such thing as a "natural" state for an economy or market, only a state that is, and states that can be.

No force is needed in terms of forcing the market to do anything.

I'm using force to mean any action that effects a reaction in the market (positive or negative), where you seem to by using to to mean "An attribute that prevents the market from moving in a particular direction that it would naturally want to move towards in the absence of said attribute", am I reading you right?

If foce is needed anywhere it is to repel the governmental interlopers.

That is the force I'm referring to in questioning whether or not it is "needed" as you imply. I'm not taking a stance on whether a force is "good" or "bad" by it's nature, therefore the "need" to use a force must to be shown by it's ability to produce a specific change, and whether or not that change is necessary.

I submit to you that the application of force was when drilling where the oil is was forbiden.

The removal of government force is what I'm calling for.

I submit back to you that changing the dynamics of a system in order to effect a change in that system, is by definition forcing the change. So we are both right, a change was forced when drilling was blocked, and another change would be forced by opening it up again.

My only question is whether that force is necessary to effect the desired change, and if the change is even something we should be trying to effect in the first place.

I submit to you that the application of force was when drilling where the oil is was forbiden.

The removal of government force is what I'm calling for.

It all comes down to the price of oil
Can we start drilling now, please?

Only if you can show that the current situation should be forcibly changed, and that additional drilling is the most efficient way do that.

Regardless of your stand on illegal immigrants, they are an economic factor and should have been accounted for on the way up and on the way down. Do these people and their jobs show up on the unemployment stats?

Illegals? I don't think so, but students on summer break probably do.

Bit is right. The price of oil did more damage than the unemployment rate. When will our congress take this issue seriously? It's bad enough they pass worthless laws but when we need something done they do nothing.

Steve;

Actually noting would be preferable to what they want to do. Witness the comments from Cantrell the other day:

Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) suggested that oil companies may be manipulating energy markets as Enron did in 2001, and that the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and the Federal Trade Commission needed to more aggressively regulate all futures markets

Less than 24 hours later, the price goes up by 11 bucks a barrel. The connection seems obvious.

The price jump yesterday can be traced directly to the attitudes and policies of the Democrats in Congress. The comments of Cantwell and others, show clearly that Congress is not ready to do what needs be done, and that thereby inaction would be better than the action proposed.

Given the chance, these idiots will continue down the path of trying to regulate their way out of the situation, rather than simply get out of the way, which is in reality the only way out. The controls being applied by Congress are working in the favor of those who are causing the price spikes. Congress announcing it plans to do more of the same, made things worse... much worse.

Regardless of your stand on illegal immigrants, they are an economic factor and should have been accounted for on the way up and on the way down. Do these people and their jobs show up on the unemployment stats?

the President is considering new measures to revive the economy.

My prediction, a tax cut possibly on capital gains.