Comments on: Joe Lieberman Being Shunned by Democrats

By: sufrensucatash

sufrensucatash — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:20:15 +0000

Democratic Success in 2008

Democrats are on the fast track to self-destruction, if not as fatally catastrophic as the Whigs in the mid 1800s, then equal to the Republicans with Hoover in 1932.

By: findlayosborn.com » Blog Archive » Just Who is Swinging Here?

findlayosborn.com » Blog Archive » Just Who is Swinging Here? — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:32:36 +0000

[...] Joe Lieberman can see this and despite the groundswell against him, he has had the intestinal fortitude to stand solid and put forth his views. After all, they are his views, not the Presidents, not mine, not even the Iraqi Governments, they are his, and while many including myself share his views, his stating them is not an invitation for others to shun the man and his beliefs. [...]

By: DL

DL — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:01:31 +0000

Don't confuse Joe Lieberman's strong stance on this war with his liberism and his showboating in the mode of Pontious Pilate. He's a pro-partial birth abortion liberal and one who will sell his priciples quickly. Did you forget his morph job when he was handed the VP slot?

Joe-the hand wringer- is strong on Iraq because he is a strong Orthodox Jew and believes in protecting Israel -period! Be Careful not to pull a lovefest like Hannity and pledge to support this guy!

By: Anderson

Anderson — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:31:15 +0000

Steve Plunk:

McCain seems to put his own interests first, losing my trust. Joe Lieberman, as said in the previous post, puts the interests of the United States ahead of his own almost all the time.

In that context, this 2003 quote from Lieberman is amusing:

In the day's sharpest attack, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) accused Bush of deceiving Americans over everything from national security to helping the poor. "There has been one value repeatedly missing from this presidency, and that value is integrity," Lieberman said. "By deception and disarray, this White House has betrayed the just cause of fighting terrorism and tyranny around the world." Leaking the CIA employee's name "was the politics of personal destruction at its worst," he said.

What's changed since then? Only that Joe ain't running for Prez any more ... at least, not on the Democratic ticket. But the best putdown of Lieberman, albeit indirect, came from Rep. Murtha:

QUESTION: Mr. Murtha, what do you say to Senator Lieberman whom yesterday said Democrats need to acknowledge that this president is commander in chief for three more years, that undermining his credibility. . . . "MURTHA: Undermining his credibility? What has he said that would give him credibility? "He said there was Al Qaida connection. He said there was a connection with nuclear weapons. He said there's biological, chemical weapons there. He said there's progress now. I'm showing you that I don't see the kind of progress he sees. . . .

Heh, to coin a phrase.

By: Ralph

Ralph — Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:53:47 +0000

The invasion was demonstrably effective. A murdering dictator is gone. "Nuts" is what General McAuliffe replied to the German demand for surrender (Bastogne, Dec 22, 1944). Nuts is what I say to "white flag" leftists. The rhetoric is demonstrably NOT empty. As a constituent, I have written Sen. Lieberman a number of times to applaud his position in this matter. The "benchmarks" have been there for a very long time. They were the elections and referendum that have taken place on schedule. Ever see the facial expression of a cat who has "lost it" and is sliding, hind-quarters first, off of a slick table-top? This is the face of the Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, and Kennedy Democrats sliding off the left-hand side of American politics. Oh, they'll land on their feet -- but, as Robert's Rules might put it, may their public positions fall to the ground nonetheless.

By: Herb

Herb — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:18:05 +0000

Lilly:

I can tell everyone sure fact about Leiberman:

He does not carr a WHITE flag like so many in his party do.

But then again, He is not French like Kerry.

By: lily

lily — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:15:17 +0000

One of the problems with converstaions about this war is that people act like there are only two positions: support the war or oppose it, the implication being that opposing it means the advocacy of an immediate withdrawal. In fact, a person could view the initial invasion as a mistake based on misinformation while still believing that we have to plan future involvement in some kind of reasonable way to avoid some serious possible negative consequences. The dispute amongst the Democrats is primary within this point of view: should we have a timeline, base withdrawal on benchmarks, etc. The Democrats are also honestly facing up to the fact that without a draft we will have to have some kind of withdrawal. The Bush position, by the way, is not to stay and "win". It's to withdraw based on domestic political considerations while declaring victory. This has to be Bush's position because he isn't willing to discuss a draft and we will run out of soldiers in the foreseeable future. . The problem with Lieberman is that the not only does think the invasion was a good idea (which is demonstrably nuts)but he parrots the empty we-must-win rhetoric of the Administration and joins them in the attacks on the integrity and patriotism of Democrats who want to develop a reality based (as opposed to spinbased) plan for the future. I don't like personal attacks being made on anyone because of their opinion on an issue. I would prefer that Lieberman not be shunned or mocked. I also think he should stay off Fox News and and clean up his own behavior.

By: Conservative Outpost

Conservative Outpost — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:08:12 +0000

Does Howard Dean have bad breath? Well, one could wonder...given how some Democrats seem to be keeping their distance these days. Some have taken to calling him an "idiot"....Ken salazar says Dean doesn't speak for him...and others, such as North Dakota's Earl Pomeroy are telling h...

By: bindare

bindare — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:38:45 +0000

The biggest difference between Lieberman and his party leadership is the same as the difference between common sense and none sense.

By: Tbird1107

Tbird1107 — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:06:47 +0000

Lieberman hasn't necessarily changed his position.
From the Democratic Presidential debates in '04

"Q: Does anyone have a time frame for when the US troops can be pulled out?

A:(Lieberman) We've learned from history, you cannot set a time line in this kind of situation. You've got to set a goal line. Because if you set a time line by which you're going to exit, your enemy will lay back and then strike when you leave. The goal is to stabilize Iraq. When that happens, we can leave.
Source: Democratic 2004 Primary Presidential Debate in Durham NH

By: Bithead

Bithead — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:53:29 +0000

This is precisely why we heard so many Donks on the talking head shows last weekend, suggesting he'd make a fine Sec Def. I mean, you don't really think they're about getting the best man for the job to make Bush look good, do ya, really?

McCain, like so many democrats...

Doesn't that just say it all...

By: ken

ken — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:36:15 +0000

McCain, like so many democrats, is war hero being demonized by republicans.

Leiberman, like so many republicans, is a chicken hawk being called out by democrats.

I don't see the equivalence between them James. One is a good guy being treated poorly by his own party and the other guy is just an opportunist getting what he deserves.

By: Steve Plunk

Steve Plunk — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:32:07 +0000

Being a Republican I disagree with many of Sen. Lieberman's stances on the issues. However, I trust him probably more than any other Senator in Washington. McCain seems to put his own interests first, losing my trust. Joe Lieberman, as said in the previous post, puts the interests of the United States ahead of his own almost all the time. He certainly puts the interests of the Democratic party down on the list of priorities.

By: bindare

bindare — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:04:32 +0000

""Senator Lieberman is past the point of being taken seriously in the caucus because everything he does is seen as advancing his own self-interest, instead of the Democratic interest," said a senior Senate Democratic aide,"
It seems to me that just the opposite is true. Lieberman speaks, not in his own self-interest but in the interests of the United Ststes. It is most of the other Defeatocrates that are motivated by partisan advantage to the detriment of what is best for the USA.

By: Overtaken by Events

Overtaken by Events — Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:44:09 +0000

Joe Lieberman Gets Noticed (Joe Who?)

The New York Times publishes an article today about the fury in the Democratic party over Joseph Lieberman's recent comments about Iraq.