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		<title>By: LJD</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jonah_goldberg_the_myth_of_the_disenfranchised/comment-page-1/#comment-25811</link>
		<dc:creator>LJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It truly boggles the mind that Dems are still crying about 2000...  and to date have done nothing about the electoral college they so loathe...  Of course, if the electoral votes were in the favor of the Dems, I&#039;m sure they would be all for it.  

The truth so easily ignored is that Gore attempted to steal the election, but was caught.  

Get ready to hear all of this again, in November. The Dems are incapable of loosing graciously.  They claim to want democracy, but will do anything for their guy to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It truly boggles the mind that Dems are still crying about 2000...  and to date have done nothing about the electoral college they so loathe...  Of course, if the electoral votes were in the favor of the Dems, I'm sure they would be all for it.  </p>
<p>The truth so easily ignored is that Gore attempted to steal the election, but was caught.  </p>
<p>Get ready to hear all of this again, in November. The Dems are incapable of loosing graciously.  They claim to want democracy, but will do anything for their guy to win.</p>
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		<title>By: skh</title>
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		<dc:creator>skh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;In 2000, Janet Reno - still the Attorney General - dispatched crack squads...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

snicker!

It is appalling that those with a paucity of knowledge in the areas of law and politics can assert as factual that:

&lt;i&gt; Bush is indeed our first illegitimate president. He was put into office by his party members on the US Supreme Court. That my friends is history.
Posted by ken at October 23, 2004 02:28&lt;/i&gt;

ken, it is all too easy to pull something out of your anal orifice and act professorial about it.  Your partisan shillmanship is laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"In 2000, Janet Reno - still the Attorney General - dispatched crack squads..."</i></p>
<p>snicker!</p>
<p>It is appalling that those with a paucity of knowledge in the areas of law and politics can assert as factual that:</p>
<p><i> Bush is indeed our first illegitimate president. He was put into office by his party members on the US Supreme Court. That my friends is history.<br />
Posted by ken at October 23, 2004 02:28</i></p>
<p>ken, it is all too easy to pull something out of your anal orifice and act professorial about it.  Your partisan shillmanship is laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: zz</title>
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		<dc:creator>zz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but the popular vote is irrelevent given that we have an electoral college.  And I guarantee you that the 2000 vote would have looked differently if we had a popular election for president, since voters for a party in states where the other party is dominant have less incentive to come out and vote knowing that all the electoral votes are going to go for another candidate anyway.

Frankly, I think the electoral system is preferable to a pure popular vote.  We conduct elections over a large geographic area.  Weather conditions can vary with location and can effect turnout.  The electoral system normalizes a state&#039;s vote to their population.  Another reason is that the presidential election is not the only item for vote on a ballot.  Other elections or ballot measures in a given state can effect the turnout for that state.  The electoral system normalizes the vote to eliminate the issue of  turn out variation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but the popular vote is irrelevent given that we have an electoral college.  And I guarantee you that the 2000 vote would have looked differently if we had a popular election for president, since voters for a party in states where the other party is dominant have less incentive to come out and vote knowing that all the electoral votes are going to go for another candidate anyway.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think the electoral system is preferable to a pure popular vote.  We conduct elections over a large geographic area.  Weather conditions can vary with location and can effect turnout.  The electoral system normalizes a state's vote to their population.  Another reason is that the presidential election is not the only item for vote on a ballot.  Other elections or ballot measures in a given state can effect the turnout for that state.  The electoral system normalizes the vote to eliminate the issue of  turn out variation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Conservative Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Conservative Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Maybe Paul Zogby Should Work for the CIA&lt;/strong&gt;
A recent article in Outside the Beltway has clarified something that&#039;s been bothering me for some time. In the article, the author Bruce Dumont cites several statements by journalists and Democratic operatives about the results of the upcoming electio...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Maybe Paul Zogby Should Work for the CIA</strong><br />
A recent article in Outside the Beltway has clarified something that's been bothering me for some time. In the article, the author Bruce Dumont cites several statements by journalists and Democratic operatives about the results of the upcoming electio...</p>
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		<title>By: Truth, Lies &#38; Common Sense</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jonah_goldberg_the_myth_of_the_disenfranchised/comment-page-1/#comment-25791</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth, Lies &#38; Common Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogger Beware, An attempt at disfranchisement&lt;/strong&gt;
Well drinkers, it appears your tallglassofmilk is a victim of voter fraud. Turns out that if I hadn&#039;t voted early, there&#039;s a pretty good chance I might have been hauled off in handcuffs on November 2, for attempting to vote twice. Now it might be som...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blogger Beware, An attempt at disfranchisement</strong><br />
Well drinkers, it appears your tallglassofmilk is a victim of voter fraud. Turns out that if I hadn't voted early, there's a pretty good chance I might have been hauled off in handcuffs on November 2, for attempting to vote twice. Now it might be som...</p>
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		<title>By: Truth, Lies &#38; Common Sense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth, Lies &#38; Common Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dems to Faithful, Vote Early, Vote Often&lt;/strong&gt;
Not since the good ole days of the Mayor Daley Political machine in Illinois did the Democrats so openly advocate voter fraud. Their biggest tool this year is the provision ballot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dems to Faithful, Vote Early, Vote Often</strong><br />
Not since the good ole days of the Mayor Daley Political machine in Illinois did the Democrats so openly advocate voter fraud. Their biggest tool this year is the provision ballot</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is indeed our first illegitimate president. He was put into office by his party members on the US Supreme Court. That my friends is history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is indeed our first illegitimate president. He was put into office by his party members on the US Supreme Court. That my friends is history.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;â¦those who cite anomalies in the Florida 2000 vote that diminished the Gore count conveniently forget that the Gore camp worked tirelessly to ensure that overseas military ballots were excluded on the basis that they didn&#039;t carry a postmark--even though overseas military ballots are never postmarked&lt;/i&gt;

Of all the memes in regarding the Fla. Election this one really bothers me. Look, this is true, overseas military ballots are never postmarked. I concede that point, but Florida explicitly forbid counting absentee ballots without out a postmark. There was no provision or exception for overseas military ballots. 

Now whine all you want about this but trying to make the case that they should have been counted is changing the law after the ballots were cast. There is now way around that fact and arguing that itâs unfair or other such non-sense is monumentally hypocritical when that is what you all were accusing Gore of doing. 

Also the meme that Gore was cherry picking counties, again Florida law explicitly stated that the candidates could ask for recounts for any individual counties they wanted. Bush Filed suit to stop Gore from doing what Florida law explicitly allowed him to do. Again it was Bush, not Gore, who was trying to change the law after the ballots had been cast by preventing Gore from following state law. Ironically had Bush allowed Gore to count the votes in those three counties, Bush would have won despite Gores efforts. 

Iâm not one of these who talk about a stolen election, there was no way Bush would have lost Floridaâs EC votes for a number of reasons none of which were illegal but letâs just get the facts straight and cut out the spin will you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>â¦those who cite anomalies in the Florida 2000 vote that diminished the Gore count conveniently forget that the Gore camp worked tirelessly to ensure that overseas military ballots were excluded on the basis that they didn't carry a postmark--even though overseas military ballots are never postmarked</i></p>
<p>Of all the memes in regarding the Fla. Election this one really bothers me. Look, this is true, overseas military ballots are never postmarked. I concede that point, but Florida explicitly forbid counting absentee ballots without out a postmark. There was no provision or exception for overseas military ballots. </p>
<p>Now whine all you want about this but trying to make the case that they should have been counted is changing the law after the ballots were cast. There is now way around that fact and arguing that itâs unfair or other such non-sense is monumentally hypocritical when that is what you all were accusing Gore of doing. </p>
<p>Also the meme that Gore was cherry picking counties, again Florida law explicitly stated that the candidates could ask for recounts for any individual counties they wanted. Bush Filed suit to stop Gore from doing what Florida law explicitly allowed him to do. Again it was Bush, not Gore, who was trying to change the law after the ballots had been cast by preventing Gore from following state law. Ironically had Bush allowed Gore to count the votes in those three counties, Bush would have won despite Gores efforts. </p>
<p>Iâm not one of these who talk about a stolen election, there was no way Bush would have lost Floridaâs EC votes for a number of reasons none of which were illegal but letâs just get the facts straight and cut out the spin will you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jonah_goldberg_the_myth_of_the_disenfranchised/comment-page-1/#comment-25756</link>
		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Itâs certainly undemocratic&lt;/i&gt;

Should it be pointed out here that we are a representitive REPUBLIC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Itâs certainly undemocratic</i></p>
<p>Should it be pointed out here that we are a representitive REPUBLIC?</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad.</description>
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		<title>By: Rodney Dill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Dill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did happen in 2000 was an attempted Coup of the legally elected administration by the Supreme Court of Florida (SCOFLA). It took the intervention of the United States Supreme Court to uphold the legal certified Florida elections (i.e. making sure that all the legally valid votes were counted).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did happen in 2000 was an attempted Coup of the legally elected administration by the Supreme Court of Florida (SCOFLA). It took the intervention of the United States Supreme Court to uphold the legal certified Florida elections (i.e. making sure that all the legally valid votes were counted).</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: &lt;em&gt;Bush DID steal the election. It is a travesty of democracy that he was selected president while losing the popular vote. The electoral college should be abolished.&lt;/em&gt;

This is a non sequitur.  It may be the case that the electoral system is a bad idea.  It&#039;s certainly undemocratic--although no more so than the U.S. Senate, which gives Alaska the same two votes as California.  But Bush won by the rules as established in 1789 and followed in every subsequent election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: <em>Bush DID steal the election. It is a travesty of democracy that he was selected president while losing the popular vote. The electoral college should be abolished.</em></p>
<p>This is a non sequitur.  It may be the case that the electoral system is a bad idea.  It's certainly undemocratic--although no more so than the U.S. Senate, which gives Alaska the same two votes as California.  But Bush won by the rules as established in 1789 and followed in every subsequent election.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give it a break. Bush DID steal the election. It is a travesty of democracy that he was selected president while losing the popular vote. The electoral college should be abolished.

After being in power for three years, do you really think he has not been figuring out the ins and outs of ways to manipulate the system. These guys fight a election like a war, but they have some success at elections.

It will take an act of God for Kerry to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give it a break. Bush DID steal the election. It is a travesty of democracy that he was selected president while losing the popular vote. The electoral college should be abolished.</p>
<p>After being in power for three years, do you really think he has not been figuring out the ins and outs of ways to manipulate the system. These guys fight a election like a war, but they have some success at elections.</p>
<p>It will take an act of God for Kerry to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;election by judge pt. 2&lt;/strong&gt;
Continuing off the other day&#039;s post...

Go back and check out Matt&#039;s comment on West Virginia shenanigans.

Then, read OTB&#039;s post on manufacturing claims of a stolen election.  James links to Jonah Goldberg, who rightly points out that both side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>election by judge pt. 2</strong><br />
Continuing off the other day's post...</p>
<p>Go back and check out Matt's comment on West Virginia shenanigans.</p>
<p>Then, read OTB's post on manufacturing claims of a stolen election.  James links to Jonah Goldberg, who rightly points out that both side...</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Block</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they want to count every vote. Especially the fraudulent ones. Most of the voter registration fraud stories that I have seen involve Democrats registering fraudulent voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they want to count every vote. Especially the fraudulent ones. Most of the voter registration fraud stories that I have seen involve Democrats registering fraudulent voters.</p>
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