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	<title>Comments on: Jonah Goldberg&#8217;s Bet</title>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jonah_goldbergs_bet/comment-page-1/#comment-112341</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commissar,

I&#039;ve written about the subject before.  It comes down to whether a disaggregated band of anti-government/anti-Coalition forces creating violence but not apparently fighting for a single political objective qualifies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commissar,</p>
<p>I've written about the subject before.  It comes down to whether a disaggregated band of anti-government/anti-Coalition forces creating violence but not apparently fighting for a single political objective qualifies.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jonah_goldbergs_bet/comment-page-1/#comment-112333</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a bare minimum, Goldberg should write a column which says he was wrong, without any equivocation and without bitching about Cole not taking the bet. That&#039;s what a real man would do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a bare minimum, Goldberg should write a column which says he was wrong, without any equivocation and without bitching about Cole not taking the bet. That's what a real man would do.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jonah_goldbergs_bet/comment-page-1/#comment-112327</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond the bet aspect, or even the prediction business in punditry here is a clash of the amateur v. the expert.  Whether one likes Cole&#039;s opinions or not, the truth of the matter is, he knows a whole lot more about Middle Eastern politics than does Goldberg.  IIRC part of Goldberg&#039;s bluster had to do with the fact that he thought Cole was thumping his chest about his c.v.

Indeed, this reminds me (now that I write this) about Goldberg&#039;s column on Pinochet that I criticized recently.  The bottom line is Goldberg  , like a lot of pundits, starts from an ideological position and then forms an opinion about an issue--one that he often doesn&#039;t really know that much about.  

While experts can be wrong (indeed, very wrong), the idea of directly challenging, in a very public and blustery way, someone who knows far more about a subject than you do isn&#039;t very wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond the bet aspect, or even the prediction business in punditry here is a clash of the amateur v. the expert.  Whether one likes Cole's opinions or not, the truth of the matter is, he knows a whole lot more about Middle Eastern politics than does Goldberg.  IIRC part of Goldberg's bluster had to do with the fact that he thought Cole was thumping his chest about his c.v.</p>
<p>Indeed, this reminds me (now that I write this) about Goldberg's column on Pinochet that I criticized recently.  The bottom line is Goldberg  , like a lot of pundits, starts from an ideological position and then forms an opinion about an issue--one that he often doesn't really know that much about.  </p>
<p>While experts can be wrong (indeed, very wrong), the idea of directly challenging, in a very public and blustery way, someone who knows far more about a subject than you do isn't very wise.</p>
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		<title>By: The Commissar</title>
		<link>http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/jonah_goldbergs_bet/comment-page-1/#comment-112311</link>
		<dc:creator>The Commissar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a civil war?  Come on, James.  You&#039;re a smart guy and a fair guy. You can look up &#039;civil war&#039; in Wikipedia. From Lebanon to El Salvador, when people start blowing each other up, in tens of thousands annually, such events are called civil wars. In countless other cases, no one dreamed of quibbling about the application of an ordinary English phrase to describe such events.

This reminds me of the Nixon-era economist, who upon being chastised for negativity, and specifically for his inexpedient use of the word &quot;recession,&quot; announced that he would no longer use that word, and would use &quot;banana&quot; instead.  And, at his next press conference, he noted that if trends continued, &quot;America was at risk of sliding into a deep banana.&quot;

Maybe we should say that Iraq is today involved in a fierce and bloody avocado.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a civil war?  Come on, James.  You're a smart guy and a fair guy. You can look up 'civil war' in Wikipedia. From Lebanon to El Salvador, when people start blowing each other up, in tens of thousands annually, such events are called civil wars. In countless other cases, no one dreamed of quibbling about the application of an ordinary English phrase to describe such events.</p>
<p>This reminds me of the Nixon-era economist, who upon being chastised for negativity, and specifically for his inexpedient use of the word "recession," announced that he would no longer use that word, and would use "banana" instead.  And, at his next press conference, he noted that if trends continued, "America was at risk of sliding into a deep banana."</p>
<p>Maybe we should say that Iraq is today involved in a fierce and bloody avocado.</p>
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		<title>By: bains</title>
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		<dc:creator>bains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overheard in a bar:
&quot;Dennis, I&#039;ll bet you that the Colts beat the Bears 27-21.&quot;

Boy do I want to find that guy and make him pay up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overheard in a bar:<br />
"Dennis, I'll bet you that the Colts beat the Bears 27-21."</p>
<p>Boy do I want to find that guy and make him pay up!</p>
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		<title>By: Bithead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bithead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, and the question logically arises who gets to define &quot;going badly&quot;?  

I&#039;m willing to bet Goldberg will not get that honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, and the question logically arises who gets to define "going badly"?  </p>
<p>I'm willing to bet Goldberg will not get that honor.</p>
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